My home page is taking forever to load. I went to The Barnes & Noble site and there home page is about the same size as mine and theirs loads in segments, whereas with mine, you wait 30 seconds (eternity) and it all loads at once.

So the question is, how can I get my home page to load in pieces. I assume it's a tables thing and I am afraud that you're going to tell me to rebuild my page

Thanks all.

http://www.signingshotline.com

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If you were to 'stack' some tables, it would load in pieces, as you say, and possibly load a little faster.

Nancy

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If you have a 56k modem, go to www.bn.com, the Barnes and Noble site. Little pieces of the site come up at a time after one or two seconds, even tough it may take 30 seconds for the whole page to load. This is what I would like with my site.

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www.Signingshotline.com lists EVERY upcoming athlete autograph appearance in the US and Canada

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www.Signingshotline.com lists EVERY upcoming athlete autograph appearance in the US and Canada

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www.Signingshotline.com lists EVERY upcoming athlete autograph appearance in the US and Canada

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www.Signingshotline.com lists EVERY upcoming athlete autograph appearance in the US and Canada

As for loading page in stages, Nancy has the idea. You stack tables, and you avoid nesting tables wherever possible, and you never nest 3 deep.

I've seen that done before, and I never understood why until now. I don't like that solution, however. I would remove as many graphics as possible and optimize the heck out of the ones that are left.

1. My page will at least appear to load quicker. People will not just see "white" for 30 seconds and leave. They know it ain't dead!

2. I can use a single banner ad call for all my pages. Now, advertisers will get exposure on all pages.

Now the questions (problems?)

1. How will this effect search engines? I am getting good SE results and don't want to rock the boat.

2. How will this affect my index page? Do I name the "total" framed page www.signingshotline.com and my index body www.signingshotline.com/index.asp.

3. Will this affect people who have my site bookmarked? Will the bookmarked page come up "out of frame"?

4. I assume all browsers from => Version 4 will accept frames.

This is just off the top of my head. Any other potential problems?

I think I may go for this if these problems aren't really problems!

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www.Signingshotline.com lists EVERY upcoming athlete autograph appearance in the US and Canada

If so, do you have buffering turned off? Normally, you would want this on, but for time consuming pages, if you turn it off it will start sending part of your output while the rest is loading.

You could also keep the buffer on (the default in IIS5) by response.buffer=true and then use response.flush at intelligent points in your page. This will force content to be sent to the user.

Joe

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This sounds good. Is this buffering setting on the server or Frontpage? I am hosted, so i couldn't change the server.

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For .ASP pages only.
You can make the changes to individual pages. If you wanted to try Response.Buffer=False to see how it works on your page just type it in immediately after option explicit at the top of your page. You are using option explicit, right?

code:

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<% Option Explicit %>
<% Response.Buffer=False %>

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The buffer is turned on by default in IIS5.

You would use Response.Flush at points in your page where the code is finished (like the end of a table or script). Place on the line below the chuck on your page you wish to send. NOTE: the buffer has to be turned on in order to use Response.Flush or you will get an error.

There are some other things you can do to improve the speed of an ASP page. If you are sure that you will not use any session or application variables to maintain a users state, then use Enablesessionstate=False. You should avoid using the session variables as much as possible.
Use Response.Buffer=True if you are not on IIS5. Although, in your case this may be an exception.
Use option explicit to declare your variables before use. This also speeds up your page. You then MUST dim all your variables.
So, at the top of your .ASP page you could put:

code:

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<@ Enablesessionstate=False %>
<% Option Explicit %>
<% Response.Buffer=True %>

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and use response.flush where you need it.

Your homepage is long and there is a lot of white space in it. You could MAKE A COPY, and then "fold" your page up. For example, this comes from your source code, I have folded it up:

code:

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<body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><!--msnavigation--><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr><!--msnavigation--><td valign="top">
<div align="center"><center><table border="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0"><tr><td width="30%" colspan="3" height="0">
<table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="30%" height="0"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr><td width="33%" rowspan="3"><p align="left"><img border="0" src="images/logo1.gif" width="233" height="95"></p>
</td><td width="67%" height="22" colspan="2"><p align="right"><font face="Arial" size="2"><b>Wednesday, May 09, 2001</b></font></td></tr>
</center><tr><td width="67%" height="26" colspan="2" valign="top"><p align="right"><img border="0" src="images/updated.gif"></td></tr><center>

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Code readability goes to the trash, but speed can go way up! Pull everything to the left and then fold up.
I did this yesterday to a file and shrunk it size by almost 50%. Not only is the file size smaller, but the fewer lines of code run faster on the browser.

The next thing I would do would be work on any database calls you may or may not have on the front page...

Joe

I only know enough asp to get me in trouble. It has been Spookuy who has guided me through much of my asp site building.

No, I do not use option explicit. I am really only using asp on the home page for databases.

When you "fold up a page", do you manually back out all the white space? I don't think so. Is there a "button" that does this?

Just when I think I am finally getting a grip on this stuff, I again realize how much I don't yet know.

Thank you for all this info Joe. Keep talking, I'm all ears (and questions).

Howard

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Yeah, I fold it by hand... bummer. Sometimes, it does not gain much more than a reduction in file size of 10% or so. Other times much more. Yesterday I had a 50% reduction. I have had 60% reductions... FP200 code can get quite bloated.

If you had a button that would do it automatically, I would buy it!

Using option explicit can bring a performance increase of around 10%. Enablesessionstate=False can be set on the server for bigger gains, but a per page use can yield 2%. Response.Buffer=True can give up to 13%.

Depending on how your DB calls are set up there may be some big performance increases hidden in there. BUT, if Spooky has been setting them up, I am sure there is nothing left to bleed.

Ther IS a button to get rid of the bloat. I saw this on this forum:

http://thepluginsite.com/products/htmlshrinker/index.htm

I think the one that does asp pages is $30.

You may want to try their free version just to check it out.

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www.Signingshotline.com lists EVERY upcoming athlete autograph appearance in the US and Canada

Thanks for the information. I will check them out. By the way... WERE ON FIRE!

Joe

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www.Signingshotline.com lists EVERY upcoming athlete autograph appearance in the US and Canada

I know its not an answer to "cleaning" and speeding up your pages but did you see this...

http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001885.html

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Brian---

Thanks!

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