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dzirkelb1 -> Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 12:03:50)

I wish to add a navigation footer to my web pages..something simple like:

[Home] [About Us] [etc]

However, each of our pages vary in height (some scroll down, some don't)

I wish for that navigation to show at the bottom of the screen if no scroll is necessary, and at the bottom of page if the scrolling is necessary. I'll seperate it with a horizontal line and create the links and stuff myself, I just want to know how to keep it at the bottom..thanks!



Mike54 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 12:49:47)

quote:

I just want to know how to keep it at the bottom..thanks!

Hopefully this doesn't sound flip but if you put it at the bottom that's where it will be, at the bottom.[;)]



dzirkelb1 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 13:08:21)

Ya, however, I don't want my html to show <P> all the way down to the bottom...see what I'm saying? I want it to be static at the bottom of the screen...here are a couple examples: 

<html>

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>New Page 2</title>
</head>

<body>

<p>Top of page</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>bottom of page(footer)</p>

</body>

</html>


thats how I get it to the bottom of the page; hwoever, I have to eyeball it to make sure it is at the bottom....this will cause errors shown here:

http://www.msultd.com/footer1.htm
and
http://www.msultd.com/footer2.htm

Also, this site will be pretty much all data; so, the length of the page will vary depending on the results.



dzirkelb1 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 13:09:47)

I also wish the footer to move depending on the size of the screen..meaning, if its not maximized I wish to show it at the bottom of the screen (unless there is content of course)



Mike54 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 13:42:30)

[image]http://www.farslowfotos.com/outfront/table.gif[/image]



dzirkelb1 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 13:58:03)

That won't work either unfortunately as each page fluctuates entirely too much in width, height, etc..


http://www.msultd.com/login.asp

go there, enter in
schlutzkevin
temp

as login information...from there you will see what the site is like. Clik on ad-hoc reporting, then display data, and submit to view the most of what will be displayed on one web page.

Then, click on ad-hoc reporting, graph data, and go throught that to see the small pages...

My point is there would be entirely too much stuff to put inside a table to add a footer and I was hoping if there was a way using whatever language to put a footer on the bottom of the page, much like you do in word...maybe an include page, or some sort of script to place it at bottom of screen / page.



rdouglass -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 14:39:22)

I know of one that'll keep it to the side and follow stay where it is as you scroll up and down. But not the bottom. Sounds like a 'bear' to develop since you'd constantly be checking the browser window size and current pixel reference from BOTH the top of the page AND the top of the window.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about.

http://www.clarkinsurance.com/mouseovertest.asp

I filled the DB with enough dummy text to make the page scroll. When you scroll the page notice the stuff on the right "chasing" the relative screen location. This type of thing may work for you. It is fully a JavaScript solution and does use an external .js file.

Another idea I have is an IE only solution but it works great on an Intranet or some other applications where you can ensure IE will be used. It uses span's and div's and puts a second set of scroll bars in an inner panel so you can scroll thru just the data you want and not the whole page. Works very well in one of my intranets; I can post it if you wish.



rdouglass -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 14:40:15)

ANd I probably shouldn't mention it at all but a frame may do it. [:o][:'(][;)]



dzirkelb1 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 14:59:20)

That is a neat option; however, not really what I'm looking for...looking for simplicity for the user, no movement with the screen, just needs to be at the bottom. I can enter down to what I think is the bottom of the screen everytime; hwoever, that will more than likely not be uniform. I could make a table that is 100% width, 100% height, and place it at the bottom of that, place everything inside the table...however, thats a lot of work for an already created site...and, lots of work for a new site.

I simply want it to show at the bottom of the screen if there is no scrolling, and at the bottom of the content if there is scrolling...you think frontpage would have an include for footer like word has...but nooooo :)

Oh well, if I can't figure something out, then I'll leave it as it is and try to figure out some sort of different navigation.

The navigation would be different on sections of the site...ad-hoc reporting would have seperate links than my account would have. I spose I could put it under the regular navigation, just make everything smaller with no rollover effect to make it look not as important...that may work. I'll play around with that. Thanks everyone!



Mike54 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 15:00:32)

quote:

as each page fluctuates entirely too much in width


From text formatting, images or what? In a table you can constrain the width...[&:]

The link doesn't work for me...

rdouglass' suggestion about frames may be a solution albeit an unpopular one.[;)]



rdouglass -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 15:01:53)

Are all your users using IE?



rdouglass -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 15:04:04)

quote:

you think frontpage would have an include for footer like word has


It does - it's called an include.[;)] Are we talking about the same thing here? You want this footer (or whatever navigation) to show up in the same place, correct? A plain, simple footer ain't gonna' cut it for that if you're pages are different lengths.



dzirkelb1 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 15:07:38)

bah, gave the wrong link

go to http://www.msultd.com/kfc/login.asp

go there, enter in
schlutzkevin
temp

as login information...from there you will see what the site is like. Clik on ad-hoc reporting, then display data, and submit to view the most of what will be displayed on one web page.

Then, click on ad-hoc reporting, graph data, and go throught that to see the small pages...

That should give you an idea of what I'm dealing with

the width of the tables are wider than others due to what data is displayed



dzirkelb1 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 15:09:55)

I wish the include that I could add would do what I wish...however, I don't know if it wll with different length pages.



Mike54 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 16:06:01)

quote:

go there, enter in
schlutzkevin
temp


Incorrect Username or Password...please try again..



rdouglass -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 16:07:22)

quote:

Incorrect Username or Password...please try again..


I got there OK....



rdouglass -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 16:08:05)

quote:

Are all your users using IE?


Are all your users using IE?



dzirkelb1 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 16:17:22)

well, really don't know if they are on IE or not...its not a live site yet, all the data is test. I am assuming everyone that will be looking at it will not be very computer saavy...meaning, they wont' even know what firefox and the rest are...so they will be using IE as it came with their super cool computer with 18 different music playing options which bogs your computer down to 45% resources :)

In other words...sure, I'll put it next to the cookies thing on login :)

on a side note...what did you think of the site at a quick glance? I've been working on it for a long time and have really ran out of ideas of stuff to add that the user may want to see besides breaking down the data somehow (thats a ton of data to scroll horizontally across)




Mike54 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 16:20:05)

I did when I typed it in instead of cut and paste.[&:]
That's one WIDE table.[sm=unsure.gif]
It is possible to layout database results as something other than a single row or just use the immediately pertinent data in the table with a link to full data for that one record (laid out in a table).



Mike54 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 16:26:17)

BTW, that table is information overload. The column headers are all running together so the information below isn't going to be reasonably comprehensible to the user.[:o]



dzirkelb1 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 16:44:05)

it seems readable to me on ie5.0 and 6.0...what browser are you using? Should I add a cellpadding to make it stand out more?

and that is a good idea on displaying the data for just pertinent information first, then link to the whole thing...thats sort of what I do for the eval code link, it posts the actual form the shopper fills out so they can see what it looks like...i could have one table show just the percentages, then link to the whole thing...and, then the display all data would be a quick link they could view it all at or export it to excel for their own reporting they wish to do. But, this is a monster form each shopper fills out everytime they shop a KFC...its was a bear to do the program for the shoppers in access (only way I could think of doing it was a form, then they upload data at end of day) as they don't have inet access on the road with their labtops.

Also, I will use trim feature to avoid any login problems...assuming copy and paste added a space in there somewhere.



Mike54 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 17:08:30)

quote:

it seems readable to me on ie5.0 and 6.0

Agreed it looks (a little) better using IE but I'm using FF.[;)] Regardless it's still information overload. Who really wants to (or will) scroll out 12 page widths to check out the data?

I don't know your user base so I may be way out of line, if so my apologies.[&o]



dzirkelb1 -> RE: Adding footers to web pages (3/24/2005 17:18:36)

na, don't be...its not live yet and that was basically the next thing I was going to do.

I work kind of backwards, I think...I get functionality working for everything, then take snippets from one page to another, make it look pretty, etc...

in this scenerio...I just got done witht he MyAccount section so they can update their personal information...and that pretty much completed the web for its basics (besides the logout button)

next step is refining everything...meaning, first thing to do is work on compare.asp to avoid the scrolling of soooo much to the right. I will more than likely display the evalcode, date, period, storeid, carryoutdrivethru, and then the category averages with a goal to make it fit on a 800X600 page without scrolling AND provide a link to display all the data for that individual shop.

BUT, before that data is displayed as condensed...I am going to have them choose condensed or all data so they can view trends in a sense at the data (look at one column and see lots of 1's pretty much menas they need to work on that question)




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