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mar28 -> hI (4/2/2005 17:09:18)

Hi Guys-- Need help. I currently have a FP web: www.RyanArtDuo.com. As you can see, it's extensive but really quite simple. I want to start a separate site, a blog, and I'm already running into trouble. I'm an artist and I have painted a banner--about one-&-a-quarter inch high by eight inch wide--to use as a header. I can insert it simply as a picture okay, or in a table okay, but either way, an eight inch field is created vertically beneath it (matching the width) and I therefore can't insert any text directly under it.
Can you tell me how to achieve the banner in the simplest way?
I am not a web design whiz. Getting desperate. Martin.



jaybee -> RE: hI (4/3/2005 7:54:31)

Ryan,

When you put your URL in don't put anything (such as a full stop) on the end of it or when people click it they get taken to an error page.

From what I can see on your page your problem is down to the fact that you have specified a top shared border and you have an almost empty table cell immediately above the Welcome text.

When you look at it in a browser the shared border is collapsing because it's empty so it looks like you just have the one empty slot but as soon as you put the graphic in it appears and so does the top table cell which is only holding an empty bookmark, hence the space.

There's a screenshot below of your page in FP I stuck a small image in to test the thing out.

[image]local://upfiles/9075/241A6A02BDBC492899C14B942C3F32A1.gif[/image]



mar28 -> RE: hI (4/3/2005 15:12:33)

Hi jaybee--Thanks for your reply. I think I misled you. Sorry. My current published web, you viewed, which I constructed with tables, is not the issue. I used it to illustrate its simplicity--that I avoided complicated methods and wanted to continue to do so in creating another site. I'm poking around the home page of my unpublished web, trying to insert a banner at the top, in the easiest way possible; so we're talking about a new page with nothing on it (yet). The width of the banner, 8", (about 1 & 1/4 " hi) seems to be the problem. When I insert it, with or without a table, the width, seems to determine the depth of the field directly beneath it, in essence creating an 8" square box, blank except for the banner at its top, preventing insertion of text, etc. directly under the banner where I want it, in the resistant blank field; while If I scroll beneath this box I can then begin insertion 8" beneath the banner, where i don't want it. Any solution? Or is this a lost cause? Thanks, jaybee.
Martin.



jaybee -> RE: hI (4/3/2005 15:25:06)

Unless I can actually see the resulting code for this page after you've put the banner in I can sit here all year making suggestions.

Put the banner in, go to code view, copy the code.

Come back here click the code button at the top of the reply box and then paste your code in between the [ code ] and [ /code ]



mar28 -> RE: hI (4/3/2005 15:36:53)

Sorry. Dumber than dumb, I suppose, but I don't see anything resembling a "code button"--wouldn't know one if I saw it unless it was labled as such.



dpf -> RE: hI (4/3/2005 16:03:21)

after you hit reply..as you are typing your reply...code is a top where it begins B I U S hr quote etc.



jaybee -> RE: hI (4/3/2005 16:45:29)

As Dan said.....

[image]local://upfiles/9075/4689F3A98864450490E522F9EAAB4A1B.gif[/image]



mar28 -> RE: hI (4/3/2005 18:50:29)

Jaybee--see it! Got to leave, but will do when I come back. Thanks
Martin



mar28 -> RE: hI (4/5/2005 11:48:14)

Jaybee-- Just returned from trip. Here is the code from my banner art insert:
[code][/code]<img border="0" src="flag%20text.JPG" width="510" height="660">
Hope you have solution.
Martin



mar28 -> RE: hI (4/5/2005 11:51:53)

Jaybee, just realized you might need the page:

<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
</head>

<body>

<p>
<img border="0" src="flag%20text.JPG" width="510" height="660"></p>

</body>

</html>
Martin



dpf -> RE: hI (4/5/2005 12:14:41)

quote:

height="660"></
Martin: no wonder you cant enter text until you go down 8 " - you have told te browser to make this image 660 pixels high - is that the height of the image you are inserting?



mar28 -> RE: hI (4/5/2005 12:30:20)

DPF-- I didn't tell it anything. My art image banner is about 1hx8w inches. I'm using FP/tables and the program creates the html, not me. Jaybee asked me to bring up the html code to copy and paste for inspection, which I did. I saw the depth size when I viewed the code, but I don't know what to do about it, how to make it work for me. Anyway, I appreciate interest, DPF. Any solutions are welcomed, believe me.
Martin



Larry M. -> RE: hI (4/5/2005 12:47:18)

Martin,

Since your site is down, experiment with the height command Dan suggested:

<p><img border="0" src="flag%20text.JPG" width="510" height="660"></p>

In Code View (next to Design View at the bottom left with FrontPage open), Change to:

<p> <img border="0" src="flag_text.jpg" width="510" height="120"></p>

Should reflect this change after saving in Preview Mode.




dpf -> RE: hI (4/5/2005 13:01:58)

quote:

I didn't tell it anything. My art image banner is about 1hx8w inches. I'm using FP/tables and the program creates the html, not me.
Martin: I appreciate that you are new and are "using" FP to do your stuff for you. I was delibberate tho when i personalized it and said "you" told it. the point is that while FP is a handy tool, you ultimately need to understand the html and adjust sometimes. think about it - this isnt that hard. the <img tag you posted says
quote:

width="510" height="660
-even without knowing and code, that should seem illogical to you -after all , you describe your banner as being many times wider than high and yet the image size is defined as higher than wide. dont be afraid to play a little - just change the numbers - leave the quotes and everything else alone



dpf -> RE: hI (4/5/2005 13:13:44)

Martin: right click your image and select properties and tell us what dimensions are.



mar28 -> RE: hI (4/5/2005 15:58:05)

Larry--When I first read the code, I tinkered the 660 Hi down to 300, 200,100, & it squished the image, not the persistant box. I went back and tried the 120--same problem.
DPF-- My response to Larry explains I did try tinkering. Also, properties matched the code 510x660.
To All-- For the heck of it, I made a "new page" in my existing site: www.ryanartduo and inserted the same banner, and there was absolutely no problem. The code matched the width and height of the banner, and I was able to insert text directly underneath it!
I deleted and exited, returned to the new index.htm and the problem still existed. I went to another new index.htm and it also had the same problem. I opened a new blank page, not designating it as index.htm, and had the same problem. It's maddening. I can't create a new site! I can't image what is wrong with these new index.htm pages, not allowing me to do what I am able to do in my existing site. Martin



jaybee -> RE: hI (4/6/2005 6:58:30)

quote:

properties matched the code 510x660.


Then your banner would seem to be that size. If you're absolutely sure it's not and that there's no blank space around it which is part of the image, then right click on the picture, select picture properties. In the specifiy size box, remove the tick, then put it back. If the image is actually a different size, the dimensions will change and you can click OK.

If they don't change then FP thinks the image is whatever it says in the boxes.



dpf -> RE: hI (4/6/2005 7:00:32)

I suspect his image that he thinks is only an inch high actually is the size that it shows as in properties and the remainder is blank. needs to crop it in a graphics program..... me suspects



jaybee -> RE: hI (4/6/2005 7:04:41)

That's what I thought except.....

quote:

For the heck of it, I made a "new page" in my existing site: www.ryanartduo and inserted the same banner, and there was absolutely no problem. The code matched the width and height of the banner, and I was able to insert text directly underneath it!


So unless the layout of his existing site has a layer that allows the blank parts of the image to slide underneath.........



mar28 -> RE: hI (4/6/2005 15:05:55)

DPF & Jaybee:
I think you're both correct. You all got me thinking, so I deleted this banner file image for good, re-scanned same, cropped it in my editor, the same as the first, and lo and behold--when I inserted it into the new page, it worked! That is, it occupied its own space, period, and I was able to work directly beneath it.

Whatever corrupted the first file-- my programs or me, I suppose will remain one of the minor mysteries of life (or something like that).

Thanks so much for setting me in the right direction.
Martin.




jaybee -> RE: hI (4/6/2005 16:12:20)

quote:

my programs or me


Hmmmm I wonder. Program or Martin? Martin or program? Martin or Martin?

[:D]



dpf -> RE: hI (4/6/2005 17:08:54)

quote:

Whatever corrupted the first file-- my programs or me
Martin: it was probably you - and that isnt a bad thing! Its an easy mistake to make; cropping and leaving unnecessary blank space. good lesson for you overall - you have learned a little about checking those dimensions.



mar28 -> RE: hI (4/9/2005 15:33:47)

Jaybee: "Martin or program, program or Martin." Mmm, sounds like an interesting mantra.

Dpf: Yes indeed! Now on to the next big goof, when I'll come running back for help.

Thanks, all.
Martin



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