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Search engine help - 4/20/2005 21:07:05
I have a site I built for a friend: xxxxxxx
We can't get it to show up on Google. Every page is titled 'xxxxxxx', there are metatags. If you type 'xxxxx' into Google it comes up. It also comes up in Yahoo.
what's going on here? Any ideas or suggestions?
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RE: Search engine help - 4/20/2005 22:02:46
It's been up for about 5 months.
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RE: Search engine help - 4/20/2005 22:20:34
frankly, your site has not one but three serious flaws as far as SEO is concerned.
1. your entry page has no content to be indexed.
2. the metatags are excessive and unrelated especially unrelated to the non existant page content.
3.The pages inside the entry page are frame pages which show no content to the SEOS - do a view/source and see what i mean. andlook objectively: look at the entry page as if you never saw it before- what does it say? what is it about? nothing that i can see. click inside to tthe next page - same questions. same answers. google isnt going to rank it because it offers nothing. when i finaly click to a third page, i finally see content but... if you arent familiar with frames, look at the view/source - frames "hide" that content in the code that the spiders see. they dont necessarily "drill" into all of your pages if no content is visible.
Ditch the entry pge, ditch the frames and put some html text on the home page
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RE: Search engine help - 4/20/2005 23:14:18
Dan,
I realize what you're saying and even understand a agree BUT I built the site for an artist. This is how she wants it. What we really want is for it to come up when someone searches for 'xxx xxxx'. That's the main concern for her. Not so much any other terms but others don't hurt. Anyway, do your criticisms still apply? Thanks again for your honesty.
Dave
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RE: Search engine help - 4/21/2005 10:06:39
Dave: the mega keywords are generally ignored by search engines because of abuse. the mega content may still be looked at. also, in the entry page, you used a jpg for sallys name - seo spiders wont pick up on that. swictch that to html text and consider haveing a writeup on that page that describes and discusses sally - its the html text that is critical.
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RE: Search engine help - 4/21/2005 10:22:23
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mega keywords i assume you mean meta keywords? :) or is there something i don't know?
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RE: Search engine help - 4/21/2005 10:41:53
<disclaimer>We're not being overly critical of you personally. Many webmasters have been building quality sites for clients for several years - and have been very successful. These same webmasters have not been involved with site ranking and now it has passed them by. Google was *never* a good search algo for a commercial environment. Once they became the #1 engine - everyone started to game them. Busy webmasters were simply left behind in the ever changing landscape of search results.
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xxxxx is a common term
xxxxx is a very common term
xxxx+ xxxxx= common phrase with 500,000 competing web pages
The good thing is it's non-competitive which means it should be somewhat easy to rank for the targeted phrase. If you want the #1 spot it will likely take several months or longer. You mention that you rank for 'xxxxxx' - that is only because there are 2 sites in the entire Google index that use that phrase. Your site is #2 behind a site related to condoms and vi a gr a(yes, I jacked up the word on purpose). I suspect if there were 100's of sites that contained that phrase - yours would be #101.
If the client insists on zero changes than she will have to get used to zero results - unless you want to use more aggressive techniques.
Here are my thoughts...
1. Dan is right about the meta tags. He actually wasn't stern enough - Your meta tags look very spammy. Many unrelated phrases (unrelated as to the actual content). Don't repeat your target phrase. Caps vs non-caps are the same.
2. There is *very little* content. On the entrance page, you have zero content. At least change the xxxxx image into text stating 'xxxxxxx'.
3. On the entrance landing page - again zero content.
4. Ditch the frame on the landing page. There is no need for it as there are only a few photos.
5. Add some content on the landing page. Get creative.
6. Backlinks, backlinks, backlinks. You need backlinks. More than most site since you have very little optimized content. Currently, you have no backlinks in Google, the cache is from Feb 23, 2004, the cache shows a blank page - which is how Google views your site. A blank page.
If you build it - they will not come. Gone are the good ole days.
Basically I agree with Dan. Ditch the frames altogether (their difficult to bookmark anyhow). Add content. Seek out sites to link to you. If you can't find links your going to have to beg or buy them. Just don't get too many at first.
EDIT: fixed the most disturbing of my typos
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RE: Search engine help - 4/21/2005 11:53:48
You guys are being very helpful here but what is a backlink exactly?
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RE: Search engine help - 4/21/2005 11:59:38
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EDIT: fixed the most disturbing of my typos - a skill I obviously have to master - in a "mega" way -lol
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RE: Search engine help - 4/21/2005 12:02:50
backlinkis another site linking TO you - ideally, it would have something in common with yours topically.
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RE: Search engine help - 4/21/2005 12:26:24
I also realize that the 'xxxxx .com' is an image and doesn't register with Google but what about the disclaimer at the bottom. It has her name in text. Doesn't that help?
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RE: Search engine help - 4/21/2005 13:02:29
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Doesn't that help? well from the results, one would have to conclude "hardly". take mojo's advice to heart - he is our resident expert in this area. perhaps his best comment was:
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If the client insists on zero changes than she will have to get used to zero results
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RE: Search engine help - 4/22/2005 14:57:36
Make sure when obtaining back links to utilize your targeted keyword in the content sentence. Also give out varied code so all the links are not the same.
You could Google sites to find sites that have a high PR. I would recommend going to http://directory.google.com/ and drill down to your genre. Once there the sites with the most green on the bars to the left have higher page rank. Submit to them first.
You could also download the Google toolbar but I no longer recommend this due to privacy concerns.
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RE: Search engine help - 4/22/2005 16:08:47
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but I no longer recommend this due to privacy concerns. curious - what are the privacy concerns?
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RE: Search engine help - 4/22/2005 17:03:43
In Google's latest patent (I think I posted "Googles patent explain") it explains that Google takes information such as pages visitied or favorites, and uses those to determine something.
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RE: Search engine help - 5/3/2005 5:09:42
Google ignores meta tags. If you have to use lots of pic, use the ALT tag to for your keywords.
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RE: Search engine help - 5/3/2005 10:30:00
Also don't forget about the title element for images.
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