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Starhugger Posts: 538 Joined: 4/12/2005 Status: offline	OMITTAG and Self-closing tags - 5/22/2005 22:15:37 I'm trying to do the W3C validation thang but have run into a stumbling block already. It has given me a gazillion errors of: ...end tag for "meta" omitted, but OMITTAG NO was specified... ...You may have neglected to close a tag, or perhaps you meant to "self-close" a tag; that is, ending it with "/>" instead of ">". The example is for "meta" but it seems to be for a wide variety of tags. It claims they need an end tag, but I've never heard of them requiring an end tag. (e.g., meta). Is there a way to do an OMITTAG YES so that it doesn't freak out over this? I can't find any references to how or where to put this declaration. FP03 must be putting the NO declaration in on its own because it's nowhere in the code that I see in Code view. Can I override that somehow? I'd rather not go through all 116 HTML pages and check to be sure all my tags are self-closing (which I'd never heard of before this either). I'd really appreciate some guidance about this. Thanks! Starhugger


Kitka Posts: 2520 Joined: 1/31/2002 From: Australia Status: offline	RE: OMITTAG and Self-closing tags - 5/22/2005 22:25:37 A simple way to help with that, is in FrontPage go to HTML view, right click somewhere on your page and then choose "Apply XML Formatting Rules" > Save > Publish. That should very quickly and easily take care of most of those errors. <edited for clarity> < Message edited by Kitka -- 5/23/2005 2:56:42 > _____________________________ Kitka It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. (in reply to Starhugger)

Starhugger

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RE: OMITTAG and Self-closing tags - 5/23/2005 1:17:09

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ORIGINAL: Kitka

A simple way to help with that, is in FrontPage go to HTML view, right click and choose "Apply XML Formatting Rules".

That should take care of most of that sort of problem.

Thanks Kitka! I did that, which was a lot faster than I expected it would be (yay), but it doesn't seem to be working properly. Doing that did put in the "/>" but for some reason W3C Validator keeps saying they're not there, even in the lines where I know they are! I went through the whole site and did that to all the hml files and uploaded it all again. No change in the errors. I even tried getting it to access one file directly from my hard drive -- it had even more errors. I give up!

And then, it is also telling me I should be using a different DOCTYPE but I can't make head nor tails of what it's suggesting as the correct one:

The detected DOCTYPE Declaration "<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">" has been suppressed and the DOCTYPE for "XHTML 1.0 Transitional" inserted instead, but even if no errors are shown below the document will not be Valid until you update it to reflect this new DOCTYPE.

What is the difference?? I don't get it.

So, I think I'm about to give up on trying to validate it like a good girl. If anyone has any ideas to correct this that won't take days to implement, I'd love to hear it. In the meantime, I think I'm just going to launch it and say the heck with it. I've done what I could, it'll have to be enough for now unless I discover specific problems that I can fix.

Thanks a lot for your help! :)

Starhugger

(in reply to Kitka)


Tailslide Posts: 6365 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: online	RE: OMITTAG and Self-closing tags - 5/23/2005 2:20:52 Hi Starhugger Using xhtml (any flavour) every single tag must have a corresponding closing tag - even the single ones get it such as <br /> or <hr />. I've had another look at your site - the validator is no longer throwing up warnings about a doc type so forget that one. It is throwing up warnings about end tags and there are some missing you you'll need to work your way through them I'm afraid - there are also a couple of upper case tags which xhtml doesn't like. I think the problem you were having is that your site was halfway between HTML and XHTML so you had to do a bit of work to get it to validate as either one - If you can though it's better to be XHTML. If you get stuck on individual tags then let me know and we'll figure it out. Also - (this may be controversial) the point about validating in my opinion is to get you code right, but if there's something in there that you simply cannot change and won't validate (I believe FP has things like this) then don't sweat it. Change what you can to get it right - if it's a matter of end tags etc then do it. If it's something you cannot change then live with it. Use the validator as a guide to right and wrong rather than something you live or die by. Plus the validator has been known to have bugs etc. _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to Starhugger)


Starhugger Posts: 538 Joined: 4/12/2005 Status: offline	RE: OMITTAG and Self-closing tags - 5/23/2005 15:00:07 Thanks Tailslide! I'll give it one more look-through before I hurl my 'puter off the balcony. Starhugger (in reply to Tailslide)


Starhugger Posts: 538 Joined: 4/12/2005 Status: offline	RE: OMITTAG and Self-closing tags - 5/23/2005 18:23:48 quote: ORIGINAL: Tailslide It is throwing up warnings about end tags and there are some missing you you'll need to work your way through them I'm afraid - there are also a couple of upper case tags which xhtml doesn't like. I think the problem you were having is that your site was halfway between HTML and XHTML so you had to do a bit of work to get it to validate as either one - If you can though it's better to be XHTML. If you get stuck on individual tags then let me know and we'll figure it out. It seems that all the "bad code" is being generated by FP03. ARGH!! I can't get at it. It seems to all be related to navigation bars, shared borders and themes. I guess I'll have to just leave it. It seems unfair that I can't put a gold star on my site because FP is screwing up. Guess I'll just have to get over it. LOL Thanks again for your help, Tailslide! Starhugger (in reply to Tailslide)


dpf Posts: 7126 Joined: 11/12/2003 From: India-napolis Status: offline	RE: OMITTAG and Self-closing tags - 5/24/2005 7:41:52 quote: Change what you can to get it right - if it's a matter of end tags etc then do it. If it's something you cannot change then live with it. Use the validator as a guide to right and wrong rather than something you live or die by I totally agree. _____________________________ Dan (in reply to Tailslide)


Starhugger Posts: 538 Joined: 4/12/2005 Status: offline	RE: OMITTAG and Self-closing tags - 5/25/2005 14:53:04 Thanks Dan. I'm getting to the point where I have to be cost-effective with my time. I'm wasting too much time of problems and errors that FP creates on its own that DO have a visible effect, never mind the stuff that no one cares about except W3C. LOL Starhugger (in reply to dpf)