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FrontPage banner file format - 5/31/2005 17:50:29   
I am using a theme that I created in FP03 using a top-of-page banner that identifies my site. So far, I have been using a GIF file at 96ppi, but it's huge (53KB) and a lower resolution makes it look awful. I can save the graphic in JPG format at less than half that, but when I try to upload it into my theme, FP insists on converting it to a GIF file and the quality goes way down (I lose the red end of the spectrum and the quality becomes very grainy).

I've tried saving the JPG version in a variety of settings (in terms of resolution, size, etc.) but when it gets processed through FP's theme customisation, it looks awful. I'm using CorelDraw 12 to create the original graphic and export it to a bitmap format.

Does anyone know why FP insists on using a GIF graphic for its themes? More to the point, does anyone know how I can get around this? My banner is a major part of my page look but it's chewing up a lot of bandwidth and downloading time. The MS newsgroups are down more often than not these days, it seems, so I'm hoping someone here can help me with this.

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me! FYI: This has been being discussed in the Site Critique forum here: http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/m-270282/tm.htm I've taken the suggestion and moved the discussion to this forum.

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RE: FrontPage banner file format - 6/2/2005 9:46:49   
Have you thought about breaking the banner up into smaller chunks?

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RE: FrontPage banner file format - 6/2/2005 19:12:24   
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Have you thought about breaking the banner up into smaller chunks?

Hi jaybee,

I'm not sure how that would help the size problem...? If I divided it into two pieces, for example, each is likely to be 50% of the original or whatever, but they'd still add up to the same collective number of bytes, wouldn't they?

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RE: FrontPage banner file format - 6/2/2005 19:43:48   
Well that depends. What you could do is make the background of the cell the same colour as the background of the main part of the logo and then make the main part of the logo transparent.

Without seeing what you've got it's a bit difficult to advise.

If you can post a graphic or a link I'll have a look at it in the morning. I'm doing a load of graphic reduction then anyway. But now it's time for bed as it's almost 1am.

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RE: FrontPage banner file format - 6/3/2005 0:14:05   
Thanks jaybee. Actually, you gave me an idea. What I wound up doing was separating the logo from the banner background. It was only the logo that needed a higher resolution (96), and I was able to play around with the banner part and got that looking good at 72. It allowed me to use the logo as a hyperlink to the home page too. And it reduced the total bytesize of the header graphics to half (27KB instead of 53). Yay!! I can't seem to get the two graphics closer together without the navigation buttons going weird, but oh well, can't have everything. :)

You're welcome to take a look at it anyway if you like, but thanks for the idea!

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RE: FrontPage banner file format - 6/3/2005 6:14:47   
Looks great, well done. Nice to know I have my uses. :)

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RE: FrontPage banner file format - 6/3/2005 6:35:02   
the ppi makes no difference - it will be 1 pixel for one pixel on screen (i.e. whatever the screen resolution is. you only have to worry about it being x number of pixels by y ;)

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RE: FrontPage banner file format - 6/3/2005 11:35:18   
Thanks jaybee. :) Yup, definitely useful. :)

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RE: FrontPage banner file format - 6/3/2005 11:42:24   

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the ppi makes no difference - it will be 1 pixel for one pixel on screen (i.e. whatever the screen resolution is. you only have to worry about it being x number of pixels by y ;)

Hi Dave,

I think you've mentioned this before, but I have found that the resolution it's saved in can make a big difference in how it appears on the screen. For example, when I saved my logo graphic at 72ppi it looked awful, but looks okay at 96. I find that graphics that have a lot of fine detail (like my logo's lettering) look much better at 96, but I can get away with 72 for less detailed stuff. And the filesize is less with 72, even though I have to expand the graphic before saving it (72pixels takes up less room than 96).

Also, all of this depends on using the same dimensions as it is naturally in the bitmap file. Whenever I've tried to resize a graphic at the HTML level by specifying a size other than the actual dimensions of the graphic in the file, it looks icky. (That's a technical term, btw... :) )

So maybe there's more to this that I don't understand, but that's the way I finally got my graphics to look smooth and clean, not jagged and fuzzy.

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RE: FrontPage banner file format - 6/3/2005 11:48:31   
i find it looks the same - and file size is withing a byte or 3 when saving as say 300ppi and 72 ppi e.g. http://members.tiscali.fi/dave_pirjo/test-area/examples/ppi.htm
but as long as you got your images looking ok then that's the main thing :)

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