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TODDMAN -> .com & .net conflict (6/12/2005 22:16:38)

Here’s my problem:
Since Google has changed their ranking process my listing in Google changes daily from toddman.com to toddman.net as being #1 when you type in “toddman” & no this site has nothing to do with Trekies, sorry!

History:
In 2000 I registered toddman.net and set up my web site & I listed my site in DMOZ. The host at that time gave me a direct IP. In 2001 I bought toddman.com & re-directed it to .net. In 2004 I changed hosts to Infinology & purchased a shared hosting plan (bad decision, terrible service), I needed more room & I thought it would be a good time to make toddman.com my primary address & left .net to stand alone on my registers site. I reapply with DMOZ, stating toddman.net has changed to .com & they accepted my application.

Everything was going fine until 3 months ago, I redirected .net to point to .com, through my host & Google changed its way. Shortly after Google made its change in rankings, I ruled Google by typing in “toddman” in both search & images with a .com listing. Recently Google has started reinstating other sites that it lowered or removed, no problem, but it can’t decide to put up toddman.com or .net as #1. My stats now show an increase of viewers surfing my site with the .net extension, instead of .com. I guess this could be a good problem, it does increase my traffic, but I would prefer it being .com.

Listing & referrals from the other search engines doesn’t seem to be a problem. Do I just enjoy it or is their a work around?

Thanks, Toddman
www.toddman.com (or .net)



Tailslide -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 2:10:14)

Hi Toddman

Am I right in assuming that you're pointing the domain toddman.net at toddman.com so links would go straight through without ever actually visiting the former site? If so, then I wouldn't worry too much - if visitors bookmark the site they'll get the .com version anyway.

Edit: just checked and this isn't what happens - the .net stays in the address bar. You need to get the domain parked on the .com one so that even if they type in the .net version it's the .com version that comes up. Your host should be able to do this easily enough.

This is what Google has to say on the matter: http://www.google.co.uk/webmasters/3.html#A2 Not entirely helpful. The general gist of it is that someone somewhere must have a link to your old address - although when typed into the "who's linking to me" thingy nothing comes up.
You can write to them and specifcally ask them to remove the .net version if you really want to.



rdouglass -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 13:03:47)

I use GoDaddy for DNS and they allow you to forward a domain and then "mask" it so if you type in the .net address, it will show up in the browser address bar as the .com address.

One optin would be to see if your registrar has tha capability. Hope it helps.



TODDMAN -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 13:34:32)

quote:

Edit: just checked and this isn't what happens - the .net stays in the address bar. You need to get the domain parked on the .com one so that even if they type in the .net version it's the .com version that comes up. Your host should be able to do this easily enough.


quote:

I use GoDaddy for DNS and they allow you to forward a domain and then "mask" it so if you type in the .net address, it will show up in the browser address bar as the .com address.

I have both domains with register.com & both point to the same DNS at infinology, which is a shared hosting account. I had to pay an extra 6$ to infinology for the .net domain setup. The infinology control panel doesn't allow for the .net domain to be re-directed to .com to over come this problem. I'm currently waiting on a email support ticket reply from infinology to resolve this problem.



rdouglass -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 14:08:48)

Another simple way may be a redirect:

<% IF instr(Request.servervariables("URL"),"toddman.net")>=1 THEN
Response.redirect("http://www.toddman.com")
END IF%>



TODDMAN -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 14:29:01)

quote:

<% IF instr(Request.servervariables("URL"),"toddman.net")>=1 THEN
Response.redirect("http://www.toddman.com")
END IF%>
That would work for the home page right? what about the other 50,000+ pages I have, that's a lot of work!



rdouglass -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 14:54:57)

Build it as an include? [;)]

Yeah, right.[:D] 50K pages!?

However, the only way that would work is if they were all .asp pages anyways (and that many, they probably are not).

Would folks be bookmarking individual pages? Then, no that would probably not work very well.

You could (in theory anyways) do a replace in the request but we're still talking a lot of work to set it up. I'd suggest at this point waiting for your provider for options. As I said earlier, the redirect and mask technique works very well. Hopefully your registrar supports it.



TODDMAN -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 15:26:02)

quote:

Yeah, right.[:D] 50K pages!?
I did a properties search on my hard drive & it's showing 901 MB, 73,398 Files & 1,528 Folders. I quess-O-mated on the pages (.htm's) [;)]

quote:

You could (in theory anyways) do a replace in the request but we're still talking a lot of work to set it up. I'd suggest at this point waiting for your provider for options. As I said earlier, the redirect and mask technique works very well. Hopefully your registrar supports it.
I just got off the phone with my host & their reply was "pay us $35 bucks for a domain setup & then go in to the control panel & do a re-direct" My reply was no thanks!

I'll just wait until this contract is up & move on to a different host [:@]

Thanks for all the help, Toddman



rdouglass -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 15:50:20)

I think you could transfer your domains to GoDaddy for around $9 each right now and do it right away. You don't *have* to have your host do it for you - I never do and it is very, very easy.

Then you can thumb your nose at the host. [:D] Hey, that's all they're doing and it takes them about 90 seconds to do it.

quote:

73,398 Files
If it's a FP web, you can cut that number down to about 25% of that. However that is a lot of pages. Is it content? I'd seriously consider a db if it was. Just a thought.



TODDMAN -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 16:15:00)

quote:

I think you could transfer your domains to GoDaddy for around $9 each right now
Thanks I'll look into.

BTW, I'm limited to 10MB in db, but 9 Gig of space!



rdouglass -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 16:17:53)

quote:

BTW, I'm limited to 10MB in db, but 9 Gig of space!


I hope I didn't confuse you. [:(] I'm not suggesting moving your web site to GoDaddy but just your DNS entries.



TODDMAN -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 16:37:57)

I understand what your saying, The host I'm with now has a limit of 10 MB db! Besides I keep my domain names seperate from my hosting, just in case the hosting company goes south on me! Kinda like reading the braille instructions for safe sex with now hands [:D]



TODDMAN -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 17:20:01)

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I think you could transfer your domains to GoDaddy for around $9

rdouglass,
I check godaddy.com site & it says free fwd / masking, does this come without banner ads? godaddy doesn't offer a 1-800 # to call, they must not want everyones money!

I check with my register which is register.com & they offer free fwd with banner ads or no ads for $49 per year.

Option 3: Pay a 1 time fee to my host of $35

Option 4: Save my money & wait out my hosting contract!

I op for option #4!

EDIT: Yahoo offers free fwd, but a small banner with masking. They do not except transfers. I have several off the wall domain names here when they were offered @ $5 a shot!

It's amazing the differances in domain name pricing & options, getting to be like the hosting outlets!



rdouglass -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/13/2005 19:02:30)

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I check godaddy.com site & it says free fwd / masking, does this come without banner ads?


No banner ads, etc. I funnel 13 domain namess to 1 in one instance. Professional company website - no additional cost. Type in one domain, the "real" domain name pops in the addy bar - no banners, popups, etc.

For good DNS support, I've found it very hard to beat GoDaddy. I have (at last count I think) 64 different domains there under various accounts. Have had all domains there for more than 2 years now. Never had an issue with any of them.

As a side note, I guess I don't understand why you'd have to deal with the host at all (unless maybe you have to run SSL or a specific IP address)? I host 26 of those domains myself and I never had to change 1 setting on those hosts when I forward/masked.

Weel, I guess people gotta' make a buck somehow.[;)]



TODDMAN -> RE: .com & .net conflict (6/14/2005 11:01:52)

Thanks,

I did a transfer last night to GoDaddy.com last night, total cost $19. It came with .net transfer (pending 1-5 days, + 1 yr ext. free) .org & .info domain ext. WOW, thats over 1/2 the price of register.com FWD service & renewal per year & it's a 1 time fee for FWD (free), no so with register.com. I also like their control panel, much easier to use than register.com!

Now I can say "Whois Your Daddy", GoDaddy.com [:D]



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