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dpf -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 9:11:05)

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HTML will be phased out
given that there are billions of sites on the net, I doubt if browser support would be dropped for html in the next 30 years. remember that MS suported old DOS programs from the early 80s right up thru win 98



Tailslide -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 9:18:25)

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ORIGINAL: dpf

MS suported old DOS programs from the early 80s right up thru win 98


Pity they couldn't manage proper support for CSS2 in IE6 (and probably 7) then!

HTML will be readable for ages - but (*Trumpet fanfares sounding*) new opportunities beckon! New horizons are opening up! We must move ever upwards... after a nice cup of tea and a biscuit of course.



dpf -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 9:47:48)

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New horizons are opening up!
you are, of course, quite correct there; especially for anyone hoping to earn a living. As we can see on this forum, as wysiwyg software progresses, just being able to make a presentable web site is no long steeped in mystery - the secretary or the nephew can make one. It will get more and more difficult to make a living if all you can do is develop site (unless, of course, your artistic flair and design is stunning) - client and server side scripts are available as downloads (though this intimidates many). anyone wanting to make a good living needs to move toward emerging technologies that leave the "masses" baffled



RickP -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 9:58:14)

Thanks Tailside

The fact that it is somewhat debatable anyhow now makes me think that the best route (keeping life simple) is to work to the latest standards/languages that an editor like FP or DW can easily support (I have FP 2003) - no doubt, by the time it is imperitiive to move on the editors would have done so too.

I'm not lazy and I'm quite confident of being able to work to any HTML/CSS standard given a few months to swat up but I don't want to spend time doing laboriously that which may not be really absolutely necessary - well, so I am thining now.. but I still haven't really started on the subject properly investigating yet - other opinions welcome.

On the subject of FP - anyone... my brief trial of testing its XHTML compliancy didn't impress at the least but maybe I have understood something wrongly about its settings? How easy is it to get it to go the way of 4.01 strict? Re what was mentioned by someone about FP 2002 using <font> (and other deprecated tags) by default... I can confirm 2003 still does that - I always (nearly always!) go to my style sheet and create a new style for each font/combination I want so I don't think I would find it that difficult to adjust to 4.01 strict as I am already in the habit of generally avoiding deprecated tags and mainly using an external style sheet. Maybe therefore just switching to strict would be a good move for now and wait and see what the pundits say about XML etc in a year or so. Is this sound thinking or not?



dpf -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 10:10:50)

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Is this sound thinking or not?
certainly _ i have been doing this for 6 years - so much to learn and you have to find your own pace - you seem committed to on-going learning and not just languishing in a comfort zone so I say go at a pace that is comfortable for you - and that allows you to pause long enough to be productive - good luck



RickP -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 10:18:38)

Thanks Dan [;)]



Tailslide -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 10:38:42)

I had understood that FP2003 was reasonable at XHTML - that's a pity. XHTML 1.0 is 6 years old now!!

Good luck Rick - Just knowing what the options are and having a plan is half the battle as far as I'm concerned!



RickP -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 10:55:03)

I had understood that FP2003 was reasonable at XHTML

Thanks Tailside for all your help and advice

My exploration of the above has only been v. brief. I read the FP blurb which says just check the XHTML box and away you go - didn't work in my small experiment though [:(]




Nicole -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 18:17:24)

Hi Rick,

Apologies for going missing in this thread for a while, I installled a new computer and was busy playing with it and loading software back in etc.

It seems clear to me how technically minded you are, and just how committed to web design and further learning your are. You're way more quick on the uptake than I, though it would also seem you want to learn everything before getting your business going fulltime.

Two pieces of advice i received from people on these boards a few months ago now, i'm sure now apply to you:

1. You'll never know everything there is to know, nor is there enough time to learn everything as things are always changing. Maybe it's time to get your website cleaned up (getting back to the original issue in this thread), and getting some clients, earning enough money to afford you the time to set aside to learn. Maybe set weekends aside to learn, or an hour or two per night while doing paid work during the day? You already have an awareness of these other issues and you know how to do many neat things that will impress clients, so go ahead and start earning and learn as you go and learn extra stuff at night and on weekends?

2. I included that in number 1 lol, it was about setting aside time to learn new things.

But how about a 3rd?

3. Have a solid plan for your business development, set dates that you'd like to achieve certain things by, for instance, the most important thing for me was setting aside a few months to learn CSS, W3C compliance and a little about accessibility. Then earn enough money to be able to afford new hardware and software that I needed and keep the old hardware as replacement should anything crash (if that happened before this new hardware was here, i wouldn't have a business). That's where i'm at now, my next goals are all financial and about keeping a reserve of a few thousand dollars at all times, once i'm over that comfortable reserve then I can start paying myself. Then i guess it will be to learn more about layout with CSS and accessibility.

I'm off track now, there should be a thread about business planning, mayybe I'll start one.

and to Dan...

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...the secretary or the nephew can make one.


My Secretary is my cat and my nephew is 3yo. If they can create a website than i'll give this game away!

Nicole



RickP -> RE: Comments and criticisms please (6/26/2005 22:05:33)

Hi Nicole (All on thread)

yes a thread on business approach would be good. I think it's great here where theoretically people could be in competition for business but are willing to spend so much time helping one another - that's really nice and greatly appreciated.

Your recommended approach sounds good to me broadly speaking. My own is not quite so defined but having only started this part time last year I'd say so far it has been 20% business and 80% learning. If all goes well then over the next year maybe it will be 50/50 and then... I might just earn some proper cash[:D]

I've taken in all the commments on my recent site revamp and have uploaded the new revised edition now! I've started it as a new thread above this one - I hope everyone that has been involved here will please take another look - and comment some more if you will.

Thanks All



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