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techniner -> PR Overated? (6/24/2005 15:51:18)
OK the way I see is that page rank is WAYYYYYY overrated and people need to stop judging qaulity of sites simply by this factor. For example.. with googles new patent out.. and algo's changing everyone's pr is going to change drastically... does this mean that these sites are no longer valuable because PR says so? It just seems odd to me why we are basing alot of our "know how" on some algo that changes every so often. Googles new Beyesian filtering system is going to put an end to the false sites.. keyword stuffers etc etc. In a nut shell here is my take on this whole ball of wax... recips although effecting for backlinks & popularity will really not genrate the sales/conversions/signups that you are looking for... Keyword stuffers.... need I eevn respond? False content... this is by far the ultiamte no no .. and you will get banned right away on this one.. for the noobs.. this is when you say "Pamela Anderson" for a title ona page that is about Web Hosting. Google... #1.. will and always shall be so long as they do not sell... So fee dit everything it wants.. Clean HTML Proper Content As many backlinks as possible Do Not Submit using addurl.html or any submission software MSN and Yahoo are alot more forgiving with these. I have used many pieces of software in my time in doing this and Professor PageCraft is by far the most flexibile for my needs. (I am not sure if its ok to post a link here so I won't. Google for it if your interested.) Moving along... Hitbot/AltaVista... do not under estimate these.. many people loose focus .. these are in fact factored into the rest of the engines... PPC or Paid Inclusions or ANy other Services like this.... VEYR tricky here... if you have a unique product these work great.. broader subjects like.. "Casino" or "Credit Card Debt" or "Adult COntent" or" Web Hsoting" this is simply a waste of money as the big boys have all these locked up... The paid inclusions are simply for the impatient webmaster...plain and simple... If your site is spider friednly the engines will frind you regardless... I guess this completes my rant I hoep my information has been soaked in and commented on by webmasters on this forum.. I just found it today and I love it. I am on a bunch of other boards which I will not mentoon because that is rude... but I do know my stuff and I have been doing this for quite sometime and the research at hand is for no personal gain obviously.. but just to shed some lgiht off my own expierences. God Bless & Good Luck!

jaybee -> RE: PR Overated? (6/25/2005 6:20:36)
Adding my 2c..... One of my sites was hovering in the Google search results around 3rd or 4th. Has been for some considerable time. Page Rank was 4. Then I revamped the entire site and made sure it was valid XHTML and CSS. Result. I'm now no.1 out of 944,000 pages. Page Rank still sits at 4, haven't had any time to try and bump it.

Kitka -> RE: PR Overated? (6/25/2005 6:33:40)
quote: Page Rank still sits at 4, haven't had any time to try and bump it. I'm curious - just how do you bump a PR? One of our sites is PR 3 (and has been for years) but ranks #3 in Google and #1 in MSN for the major keyword. CSS validates, but html is let down only by FP related stuff that can't be optimised.

jaybee -> RE: PR Overated? (6/25/2005 6:46:00)
Mojo is the expert on this but I was intending to sort out extra backlinks from sites with decent PR themselves. Just haven't got round to a proper campaign yet. quote: let down only by FP related stuff that can't be optimised Spend some time getting rid of it. There are plenty of decent free scripts around that'll replace all the FP bots.

Kitka -> RE: PR Overated? (6/25/2005 6:58:12)
quote: I was intending to sort out extra backlinks from sites with decent PR themselves. Ah, many thanks for the info. Unfortunately I don't think it will help, as we have heaps of relevant backlinks but none that rank any higher than we do. And being a tiny locality, I can't think of any relevant higher ranking sites with which to swap links. I admit I am lousy at the marketing/publicity side of things <sigh>.

techniner -> RE: PR Overated? (6/27/2005 9:17:25)
Well I started this thread asking if people thought PR played a big role in your decision making witha site. What I am saying is.. if your site is keyword * seo maximized... and you are reaching your audience. Doe sit matter if you are a PR2 or PR7 ..... VOLUME would probably play the tole in numbers but I am talking about qaulity of qauntity... Thoughts?

Reflect -> RE: PR Overated? (6/27/2005 10:43:12)
quote: OK the way I see is that page rank is WAYYYYYY overrated and people need to stop judging qaulity of sites simply by this factor. I agree but concede that it is one part of ranking in the SERPs and must be dealt with. quote: Googles new Beyesian filtering system is going to put an end to the false sites.. keyword stuffers etc etc. I have to heavily disagree. People will always find ways to game the system....no matter what. quote: False content... this is by far the ultiamte no no .. and you will get banned right away on this one.. for the noobs.. this is when you say "Pamela Anderson" for a title ona page that is about Web Hosting. I have to disagree. It will not get you banned. You will not appear in the SERPs at a reasonable level though. However if you utilize cloaking and are not good at it then that will get you banned...fast. quote: Google... #1.. will and always shall be so long as they do not sell... So fee dit everything it wants.. Google will not always be number one, period. Since the IPO earlier this year a lot of people have been grumbling that the direction is being manipulated by the share holders and this makes sense. Prior to IPO they could do what they thought was best. Post IPO they are being steered. quote: The paid inclusions are simply for the impatient webmaster...plain and simple... No, they are for people with a budget for advertising. Plain and simple there is more than one way to skin a cat. quote: If your site is spider friednly the engines will frind you regardless... Correct, what you do with the traffic and bots is what makes or breaks you in this subject. I am sorry to be negative on the above point but I feel there are two sides to a coin. Take care, Brian

jaybee -> RE: PR Overated? (6/27/2005 11:41:01)
quote: Doe sit matter if you are a PR2 or PR7 ..... Doesn't seem to. The site I mentioned above that is No1 on Google for the keyword search and has a PR4, the site at No.2 has a PR of 5.

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