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kt -> PageRank question (7/25/2005 8:14:40)

Okay, I know the debate on the real and perceived benefits of Google Toolbar PageRank is a big one, from what I've read on this and other forums... Some people say it's very important and has an effect, others say to pay no attention to it because it's a novelty, and everything in between.

Regardless of this, however, for someone whose site has never had PageRank, imagine my delight on waking up one morning a couple of weeks ago (around the time I read Google had updated PageRank) to find the homepage of my site had a PR of 4 (previously 0) and other pages had PRs of 3, 2, and 1. Whether important or only a novelty, it still got me pretty happy!

So then imagine my deflation on waking up yesterday to find that all my PR had disappeared on every page.

So, a couple of questions...

1 Does anyone know why this may have happened? I thought that Google updated PR once every couple of months, not once a week.

2 I submitted an XML Google Sitemap a couple of days after PR appeared - could this have had any effect? (I read in the Sitemaps FAQ that you are never penalised in terms of rank when submitting a Sitemap)

The PR4 didn't actually make any difference in my SERP rank (and neither did I expect it to) - still not even close there! but it did make a difference in that I saw quite an increase in other sites emailing me asking to exchange links. So my questions are partly from curiosity, partly from frustration.

The site is here

Thanks to anyone for any comments on this.

A subdued kt




jaybee -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 9:31:31)

Well according to the Firefox algorithm your home page still has a PR4.



kt -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 9:50:19)

Jaybee - what do you mean by the Firefox algorithm? The google toolbar on my Firefox browser shows a PR of 0 - are you talking about something else?

Thanks, kt



Mojo -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 9:58:08)

PR4 for me too.



Donkey -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 10:00:44)

PR 0 for me?



Tailslide -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 10:24:47)

PR 4 for me on the Firefox Google Pagerank extension (you add this extension to Firefox KT and it will show you the PR of whatever page you're on.)



Donkey -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 11:03:18)

I'm using the google pagerank status extension v 0.9.3, the page rank appears in the status bar at the bottom right of the browser. Mine says zero. Are you using a different extension?



Shirley -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 11:10:41)

with www I get see a PR4
withOUT www. I see a 0



Tailslide -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 11:28:10)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Donkey

I'm using the google pagerank status extension v 0.9.3, the page rank appears in the status bar at the bottom right of the browser. Mine says zero. Are you using a different extension?


Same one.



Donkey -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 12:08:20)

quote:

with www I get see a PR4
withOUT www. I see a 0
both say zero for me.

Could this be a cache somewhere?



Tailslide -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 12:32:45)

Probably your ISP I suppose.



Donkey -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 13:03:02)

quote:

Probably your ISP I suppose.
Or yours[;)]



Tailslide -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 13:20:36)

Since my ISP is NTL I'm lucky flushes it's cache annually.



kt -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 13:38:40)

Thanks everyone for your replies.

I checked using the Firefox extension and got PR4 the first time I loaded the page. After that I got 0. IE still shows 0.

With this in mind and the fact that some of you got 4, others 0, I guess my next question is why the discrepancies?! Donkey - you mentioned this could be to do with cache somewhere - how could I check this?

thanks, kt



Reflect -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 13:48:08)

Additionaly there was a Google PR update late last month going from memory.

Take care,

Brian



kt -> RE: PageRank question (7/25/2005 13:52:59)

Brian - that's when I got my initial PR of 4 (had previously been 0). Then about a week later it seemed to disappear again, hence this post!

kt



Donkey -> RE: PageRank question (7/26/2005 2:49:42)

quote:

Brian - that's when I got my initial PR of 4 (had previously been 0). Then about a week later it seemed to disappear again, hence this post!
That makes me think the current "real" PR value is zero.

My home ISP is NTL and I get a PR of 4. At work the ISP is BT and I get a PR of zero. I assume BT clears the cache more often than NTL.



Reflect -> RE: PageRank question (7/26/2005 9:00:00)

quote:

Brian - that's when I got my initial PR of 4 (had previously been 0). Then about a week later it seemed to disappear again, hence this post!


I hate to say this then your PR is zero.

During updates to the SERPs or PR you will see fluctuations. This is the first sign of an update in progress. You can get really nitty gritty and track the different data centers. I have never gotten down to this level as I have never wanted to.

Take care,

Brian



kt -> RE: PageRank question (7/26/2005 11:17:43)

OK, well if it's not a genuine PR, I guess I'll keep working and hope for one next time around!

Thanks guys for all your input.

kt



Mojo -> RE: PageRank question (7/26/2005 11:21:39)

Here is some information about your site - from Google:

google.com/search?client=navclient-auto&ch=6-1903182436&q=www.eslbase.com

results:
quote:


<Q>www.eslbase.com</Q>
<PARAM name="client" value="navclient-auto" original_value="navclient-auto"/>
<PARAM name="ch" value="6-1903182436" original_value="6-1903182436"/>
<PARAM name="q" value="www.eslbase.com" original_value="www.eslbase.com"/>
<ISURL/>
-
<RES SN="1" EN="10">
<M>236</M>
<FI/>
-
<NB>
-
<NU>
/search?q=www.eslbase.com&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&output=xml&client=navclient-auto&start=10&sa=N
</NU>
</NB>
-
<R N="1">
<U>http://www.eslbase.com/</U>
<UE>http://www.eslbase.com/</UE>
-
<T>
TEFL ESL jobs, courses, resources, activities, Teaching English as <b>...</b>
</T>
<RK>4</RK>
<CRAWLDATE> Jul 24, 2005</CRAWLDATE>
-
<S>
TEFL and ESL jobs, courses and resources. Find old TEFL friends.
</S>

<RK>4</RK> is the Pagerank. You still have a PR4.

EDIT: I am breaking the link as the checksum will change in the future so the link won't work anyhow.



Reflect -> RE: PageRank question (7/26/2005 11:25:58)

Mojo,

How did you generate that?

Take care,

Brian



Mojo -> RE: PageRank question (7/26/2005 12:19:55)

quote:

How did you generate that?


Google did it, not me. All you need is the checksum value of the URL and you can plug it in.

EDIT: You can find various checksum calculators on the net or use a packet sniffer to pull out the checksum.



Reflect -> RE: PageRank question (7/26/2005 12:59:27)

Cool, thanks I did not know this.

Take care,

Brian



kt -> RE: PageRank question (7/27/2005 8:04:24)

Wow, that's brilliant, thanks Mojo

kt



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