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Seriously, I am curious,

Joe

There's a Klingon cruiser decloaking off the FrontPage!

How do they do that? Expiring minds and all that.
Cheers

Anybody want to post the source/links to the images on this page....?

http://www.moonlight-software.com/webpro-action.htm

Of course like Gil said, to see it on your computer it needs to be downloaded first.....this just makes it harder...

Rian

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http://www.moonlight-software.com/images/wc-flora02.jpg

Joe

quote:

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Originally posted by jbennett:
http://www.moonlight-software.com/images/wc-flora01.jpg

http://www.moonlight-software.com/images/wc-flora02.jpg

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?

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"Daddy, why doesn't this magnet pick up this floppy disk?"

Those are the links to the images on the page Rian spoke about in an above post.

Joe

"unbeatable encryption" seems a little strong. Here is the source code that is "unbeatable". People need to understand they can't rely on these sort of techniques to protect sensitive data or code.

Although, I would love to have one that worked.

code:

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<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" width="88%" align="center">
  <tr> 
    <td width="8" height="22" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="33" height="22" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="417" height="22" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="14" height="22" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="21" height="22" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="223" height="22" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="153" height="22" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="16" height="22" valign="top"></td>
  </tr>
  <tr> 
    <td width="8" height="81" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="33" height="81" valign="top"></td>
    <td height="81" colspan="5" valign="top"> 
      <p align="center"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><b>This 
        page has been encrypted with WebCrypt Pro by Moonlight Software<br>
        </b></font><a href="http://www.moonlight-software.com"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="1">http://www.moonlight-software.com</font></a> 
      </p>
      </td>
    <td width="16" height="81" valign="top"></td>
  </tr>
  <tr> 
    <td width="8" height="17" valign="top"></td>
    <td height="312" colspan="3" rowspan="3" valign="top"><img src="images/wc-flora01.jpg" width="377" height="272"></td>
    <td width="21" height="17" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="223" height="17" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="153" height="17" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="16" height="17" valign="top"></td>
  </tr>
  <tr> 
    <td width="8" height="261" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="21" height="261" valign="top"></td>
    <td height="261" colspan="3" valign="top"> 
      <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><b>WebCrypt Pro features 
        used on this page:</b></font></p>
      <ul>
        <li><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Right-click save 
          image disabled</font></li>
        <li><font size="2" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">HTML fully encrypted</font> 
          - <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Use your browser's 
          menu to "view source" and check out this unbeatable encryption 
          for yourself!</font><br>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <p>
    </td>
  </tr>
  <tr> 
    <td width="8" height="34" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="21" height="34" valign="top"></td>
    <td height="227" colspan="2" rowspan="2" valign="top"><img src="images/wc-flora02.jpg" width="299" height="213"></td>
    <td width="16" height="34" valign="top"></td>
  </tr>
  <tr> 
    <td width="8" height="193" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="33" height="193" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="417" height="193" valign="top"> 
      <p> </p>
      <p><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Then,</font><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"> 
        t</font><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">ake advantage 
        of our Free 7-day trial which you can download here:</font></p>
      <p align="center"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"><a href="http://www.moonlight-software.com/webcrypt.htm">Back 
        to WebCrypt Pro page</a></font></p>
      </td>
    <td width="14" height="193" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="21" height="193" valign="top"></td>
    <td width="16" height="193" valign="top"></td>
  </tr>
  <tr> 
    <td width="8" height="2" valign="top"><img width="7" height="1" src="transparent.gif"></td>
    <td width="33" height="2" valign="top"><img width="27" height="1" src="transparent.gif"></td>
    <td width="417" height="2" valign="top"><img width="338" height="1" src="transparent.gif"></td>
    <td width="14" height="2" valign="top"><img width="12" height="1" src="transparent.gif"></td>
    <td width="21" height="2" valign="top"><img width="17" height="1" src="transparent.gif"></td>
    <td width="223" height="2" valign="top"><img width="181" height="1" src="transparent.gif"></td>
    <td width="153" height="2" valign="top"><img width="124" height="1" src="transparent.gif"></td>
    <td width="16" height="2" valign="top"><img width="16" height="1" src="transparent.gif"></td>
  </tr>
</table>

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quote:

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Originally posted by jbennett:
http://www.moonlight-software.com/images/wc-flora01.jpg

http://www.moonlight-software.com/images/wc-flora02.jpg

Joe

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HooJaa!! I knew Joe, Gil etc. would crack this one.....even faster than I thought!! Good job Joe!

Rian

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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
<html>

<head>
<style>
a:link {font:8pt/11pt verdana; color:red}
a:visited {font:8pt/11pt verdana; color:#4e4e4e}
</style>
<meta HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" Content="text-html; charset=Windows-1252">
<title>HTTP 403 (Forbidden)</title>
</head>
<script>
function Homepage(){

// in real bits, urls get returned to our script like this:
// res://shdocvw.dll/http_404.htm#http://www.DocURL.com/bar.htm

//For testing use DocURL = "res://shdocvw.dll/http_404.htm#https://www.microsoft.com/bar.htm"
DocURL=document.location.href;

//this is where the http or https will be, as found by searching for :// but skipping the res://
protocolIndex=DocURL.indexOf("://",4);

//this finds the ending slash for the domain server
serverIndex=DocURL.indexOf("/",protocolIndex + 3);

//for the href, we need a valid URL to the domain. We search for the # symbol to find the begining
//of the true URL, and add 1 to skip it - this is the BeginURL value. We use serverIndex as the end marker.
//urlresult=DocURL.substring(protocolIndex - 4,serverIndex);
BeginURL=DocURL.indexOf("#",1) + 1;
urlresult=DocURL.substring(BeginURL,serverIndex);
if (protocolIndex - BeginURL > 7)
urlresult=""

//for display, we need to skip after http://, and go to the next slash
displayresult=DocURL.substring(protocolIndex + 3 ,serverIndex);

// Security precaution: must filter out "urlResult" and "displayresult"
forbiddenChars = new RegExp("[<>\'\"]", "g"); // Global search/replace
urlresult = urlresult.replace(forbiddenChars, "");
displayresult = displayresult.replace(forbiddenChars, "");

document.write('<A target=_top HREF="' + urlresult + '">' + displayresult + "</a>");
}

</script>

<body bgcolor="white">

<object id=saOC CLASSID='clsid:B45FF030-4447-11D2-85DE-00C04FA35C89' HEIGHT=0 width=0></object>

<table width="400" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="5">
<tr>
<td id="tableProps" valign="top" align="left"><img id="pagerrorImg" SRC="pagerror.gif"
width="25" height="33"></td>
<td id="tableProps2" align="left" valign="middle" width="360"><h1 id="term1"
style="COLOR: black; FONT: 13pt/15pt verdana"><span id="errorText">You are not authorized to view this page</span></h1>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td id="tablePropsWidth" width="400" colspan="2"><font id="LID1"
style="COLOR: black; FONT: 8pt/11pt verdana">You might not have permission to view this
directory or page using the credentials you supplied.</font></td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td id="tablePropsWidth" width="400" colspan="2"><font id="LID2"
style="COLOR: black; FONT: 8pt/11pt verdana"><hr color="#C0C0C0" noshade>
<p ID="term3"> If you believe you should be able to view this directory or page, please try to contact the
Web site by using any e-mail address or phone number that may be listed on the <script> Homepage();</script> home
page.</p>
<p id="term4">You can click <a onclick="saOC.NavigateToDefaultSearch();event.returnValue=false" href=""><img border=0 src="search.gif" width="16" height="16" alt="search.gif (114 bytes)" align="center"> Search</a> to look for information on the Internet.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<h2 id="errortextcode" style="font:8pt/11pt verdana; color:black">HTTP Error 403 -
Forbidden <br>
Internet Explorer </h2>
</font></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

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I knew my only chance would be something like that. I was quite frantic as I hit the submit button!

Joe

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We still have one from pageoneresults to "uncloak". Maybe he will post it while Gil is in another meeting and you are sleeping!

I will have to get together with him on that.

Joe

Joe, Out of curiosity how did you get the code?

Can't blame you if you do not want to share this one though.

Thanks,

Brian

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quote:

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Originally posted by GWJ:
Hi,

Joe, Out of curiosity how did you get the code?

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One way is to turn off Javascript or just go to http://www.moonlight-software.com/images and "view source"

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In regards to WHY hide the code... suppose you (or a corporation) put many months into coding something and had someone come in, copy the coding, and instantly have a duplicate for themselves? Most people and companies would never do something like that, but sadly, some have no problems with it. They may realize it's illegal, but figure the chances of being prosecuted are slim.

Check www.pirated-sites.com . One that was pointed out had a completely new site up within hours... sure makes you wonder who he took his latest site from.

For myself, no, I'm not into hiding code... but I can understand where the interest in it comes from.

...and then the fun begins. For anyone trying to hide code, it makes it such a lovely temptation to get to it. I would think that it's often safer to leave out in the open.

Linda

Thank you for the reply. I do truly understand that perspective. Piracy is, sadly, a risk one takes when putting out a website.

For me, the reality is that hiding this code is completely irrational given international access, and different or no laws.

I was watching with much interest, the "race" to crack the cloaking schemes in this thread... smiling all the way as this totally validates your statement about the temptation to break the code.

It's a lot like mountain climbing ... "because it's there... Just something that has to be done.

Anyway, I posted this question in the Lounge Forum to try to get some answers directly to this question and not distract attention from the ongoing thread here. So far, there has been no real reason to justify hiding the code... and more importantly, no apparent way to securely do it.

I *wish* I did it Gil's way. I feel a little silly now.

I wrote a JavaScript that just undid what the JS in the page was doing. That was how I got the code, which has the image locations within it.

But, I did not grab the images that way. I simply looked at my browser cache, found the images and looked at their source.

Pure vanilla.

Joe

I am working on a project where it must have taken me over 150 hours to get a page to do what it is supposed to do. Add on top of that the hours of research and coding to even point me in the proper direction to *begin* looking for a solution and the hours easily go over 250.

The people I am working for are a little shocked that anyone can simply snag the code and become instant competitors.

If I had a way to hide the code, I would use it.

Joe

Unfortunately, the majority of the important code is for client side... JavaScript.

I think the people I work for are not worried about individuals grabbing the code. They are concerned about large competitors who either never thought about adding this particular service or don't know how to implement it and could save both money and time by just scrapping our code.

Joe

Thank you for helping to clarify your point to me. I now understand the need, from a business perspective.

Unfortunately, risks of all types are inherent in all businesses. Knockoffs are a daily occurrence in virtually every industry. Same goes for the web.

I'm not saying that piracy is right, but we all have to be cognizant that the risk is always there....as are competitors. But so are potential partners.

I guess I would just hate to see websites become so protected that interaction and dynamics are compromised. If website codes were routinely hidden and protected, there would be no need for Outfront or any other forum. We'd no longer have the ability to visit anyone else to check out their code or their ideas. Or to assist them either.

Besides, I agree with Gil's comment earlier in this thread...I don't think it can be done, especially with current technology.

I do thank you for a valid and intelligent viewpoint.

Kindest regards,
BN

quote:

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Originally posted by Gil:
One way is to turn off Javascript or just go to http://www.moonlight-software.com/images and "view source"

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quote:

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Originally posted by jbennett:
Brian,

I *wish* I did it Gil's way. I feel a little silly now.

But, I did not grab the images that way. I simply looked at my browser cache, found the images and looked at their source.

Pure vanilla.

Joe

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Doah! Sometimes things are best approached with a basic element.

Thanks,

Brian

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Also, if there was redirect code, then they could just view the source and see where the page was redirected to, and I'm back to the same issue of being able to bypass the payment page.

Thanks again for your help!