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CavalierLady Posts: 248 From: Texas USA Status: offline	Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 21:36:20 Hi there, I hope someone can help me with a publish/ftp issue that I am having. I recently created a website for some of my artwork and now two other artists and I are supposed to be creating a website for the three of us. The system administrator has created a portion of the site and has several pages up. I don't know what he uses to create his html pages, but it's not FrontPage. He has used FTP to upload his pages. He has created a "new account" for me with a username and password different from his, saying that he has given me access to public_html, and is hoping that I can get my first test pages published, with the understanding that the pages I publish need to go in my "folder" only, if I can get in to create this folder. I know that there are still "issues" with FP and ftp and that I should always publish, or the components won't be correct. I am assuming that the administrator really wants all three people to have different usernames and passwords, so that no one can inadvertently gain access to any portion of the site but their own, and cause any pages to be overwritten by mistake. I'm not able to gain access trying to publish from FrontPage (2003 edition). He has installed fp extensions, and believes them to be installed. ServerFly.com, the same server I use for my own web site, usually verifies that they are there. How is one supposed to upload to a website when there are multiple users, but using different means to upload? I haven't yet been able to get FP to recognize the username and password that was given to me, and even if I could, how would I go about publishing all my pages to a "folder" named "maria"? The site is live and the administrator has been successful with his portion of the site, www.idreamincolor.com. The third person will be getting on board soon, and I was planning on offering my assistance for that portion of the site, if I can figure out how to get my part going. Any suggestions you could provide would be appreciated. Thanks very kindly, Maria www.cavalierladyfractals.com _____________________________ CavalierLady Photography http://www.cavalierlady.com


coreybryant Posts: 2550 Joined: 3/17/2002 From: Castle Rock CO USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 21:48:11 FTP can corrupt the FPSE actually. And especially with a *NIX server which is sounds to be what you are own. FP 2003 actually supports FTP very well and you can use that but you cannot use Frontpage forms or any other FP components that rely on FPSE _____________________________ Corey R. Bryant My Merchant Account Blog \| Toll Free Numbers \| Expression Web Blog (in reply to CavalierLady)


Larry M. Posts: 2907 Joined: 2/20/2003 From: Greenville, South Carolina, USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 21:56:50 Maria, This response: WWW Site: www.idreamincolor.com./ Port: 80 Server Software: This Web Server Does Not Disclose Identity FrontPage Extensions: NO is inconclusive because of "This Web Server Does Not Disclose Identity" statement. Odds, in these situations, favor NO, however. Past that point, one way to have all three authors publish, even if 3 different design programs are used, is via subweb. You could emulate (copy) the main site graphics/theme then have it link to your contribution so the resulting path statement looks something like this: http://www.idreamincolor.com/maria. The main site and two subwebs, if done carefully, should all look much the same to site visitors. Make sure ServerFly.com accommodates subwebs before you start. Hopefully another OutFronter will contribute a more sophisticated approach. _____________________________ Larry M. If hope and forgiveness don't work, get a gun. (in reply to CavalierLady)


CavalierLady Posts: 248 From: Texas USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 22:12:01 Thank you, Corey and Larry. Yes, Larry, this is exactly the way it is supposed to work. One section of the site already redirects in this manner. If pages have been uploaded via ftp since the fp extensions were installed, is it possible that they could be corrupted? I know I was told that they were installed but your reply seems to indicate otherwise. And can they be corrupted the next time someone needs to ftp new pages? I have always used publish and am very comfortable with it. But if this problem doesn't seem to go away, should I just remove the "footer" include pages, type that info in by hand on each page, and then try to use ftp, which I know serverfly supports, as well as subwebs? Thanks, Maria _____________________________ CavalierLady Photography http://www.cavalierlady.com (in reply to Larry M.)


coreybryant Posts: 2550 Joined: 3/17/2002 From: Castle Rock CO USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 22:16:41 I believe a (frontpage) sub-web requires Frontpage Server Extensions. And yes, FTPing files into a Frontpage website can corrupt the extensions, which is what it sounds like has happened. If the other person cannot use Frontpage, FTP will need to be used. IE can be a great FTP client actually. I use that every so often and it is very easy to use _____________________________ Corey R. Bryant My Merchant Account Blog \| Toll Free Numbers \| Expression Web Blog (in reply to CavalierLady)


CavalierLady Posts: 248 From: Texas USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 22:25:10 IE?? I'm not familiar with how that would be done? ServerFly has their own FTP and the administrator has already used this and also given me a username/password for that, as well. So I know that can be done successfully if I can figure it out. Sounds like I need to nix the components and try the FTP from what you are saying? But I'm not sure how to create a "folder" with my name on the live site with FTP. This is something I never had to do when publishing, as there never were any subwebs. Maria _____________________________ CavalierLady Photography http://www.cavalierlady.com (in reply to coreybryant)


Larry M. Posts: 2907 Joined: 2/20/2003 From: Greenville, South Carolina, USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 22:28:59 quote: I believe a (frontpage) sub-web requires Frontpage Server Extensions. And yes, FTPing files into a Frontpage website can corrupt the extensions, which is what it sounds like has happened. Agree. I don't think, however, a combination of FTPing and publishing to different subwebs will corrupt extensions. I keep reading that FP extensions aren't needed if the designer doesn't use "Components" but not sure how true that is. _____________________________ Larry M. If hope and forgiveness don't work, get a gun. (in reply to coreybryant)


CavalierLady Posts: 248 From: Texas USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 22:39:02 Well, that sounded encouraging. So long as user 1 always FTP's to his section of the site, and user 2 always publishes to his or her section of the site, i.e. the subweb, then possibly it should be feasible? But your previous reply seemed to indicate that they (extensions) weren't there? Should I suggest to him that he remove the extensions and then reinstall them? It's just confusing that typing the correct username/password doesn't even get me to the point where I can see the remote web site in FP. Could there be issues with the server with the usernames, even though I was told an account was opened in my name for this subweb? Maria _____________________________ CavalierLady Photography http://www.cavalierlady.com (in reply to Larry M.)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 22:40:40 Hi Maria, I use FrontPage and have a largish intranet on a Nix server with no extensions. FTP is just fine provided I don't want FrontPage forms or a couple of the other 'special' FrontPage things (note: the FP photogalleries work well if all the files are loaded to the server). quote: should I just remove the "footer" include pages, type that info in by hand on each page If this is a FrontPage include it should not be any problems at all . The only thing you will have to do differently is, if you change the include, FTP every single page that it's included on. Here is a list of components that require FP Extensions. EDIT: Knew I'd seen this somewhere - OutFront Tutorial on Creating FrontPage Sites Without Extensions < Message edited by rubyaim -- 9/15/2005 22:48:17 > _____________________________ Sally (in reply to CavalierLady)


coreybryant Posts: 2550 Joined: 3/17/2002 From: Castle Rock CO USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 22:42:53 quote: ORIGINAL: CavalierLady IE?? I'm not familiar with how that would be done? You just type in the FTP url and IE will then ask you for the user name / password. Here you can copy and paste just like you normally do. If it does not ask you for a user name / password, go to Tools - Internet Options and under the Advanced tab search for Enable Folder view for FTP sites and make sure that is checked _____________________________ Corey R. Bryant My Merchant Account Blog \| Toll Free Numbers \| Expression Web Blog (in reply to CavalierLady)


CavalierLady Posts: 248 From: Texas USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 22:51:48 Thank you Corey. If I don't have any luck with the server's FTP, I can always try that... sounds easy enough. :) Sally, thank you for that link. Very helpful. I noticed that includes are not on the list, and yes, it is a FP include, which could easily enough be done away with, but am I not technically a nested subweb, and therefore would need the extensions, with or without an include footer? Maria _____________________________ CavalierLady Photography http://www.cavalierlady.com (in reply to coreybryant)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 22:58:50 Hi Maria, you can still use your include. I know it seems sort of redundant if you have to FTP every single page that the include is on, but I'd still far prefer just to change the one page and FTP, than change several hundred pages by hand (a global find and replace can be dangerous - for me anyway ). The other option is to go to server side includes - which I do use now and again, but prefer the FP version as I like to see them in design view. If your include does not change, then you won't need to FTP it, but if you do make changes to it, then you will have to FTP it along with with pages that are using it. I added another link to my post above - it's worth reading. This is probably clear as mud _____________________________ Sally (in reply to CavalierLady)


CavalierLady Posts: 248 From: Texas USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 23:11:13 Thank you Sally, I went back and read that article, ...very interesting... and the more things there are to consider, the more it can get to be "clear as mud", lol. But I am glad to know that includes are ok. The one statement that got my attention was this: "When you use FP to publish server and local versions of your site are automatically kept in synch by FP. Once you move to FTP it is up to you to handle this. Thus if you move a page or change a file name you need to ensure that you upload all the affected files again when you next upload." One of the advantages of using FP, is knowing that FP "keeps everything in sync". Being still fairly new to html, I can envision all sorts of broken pages/images/links, etc., if I don't pay close attention. If includes are perfectly allright, and extensions don't matter there, then I am hoping I can publish. If it gets very much more frustrating, I may delete the includes, and try the FTP. Not being able to access with username/password is a bit vexing, but I'll try a few more emails tomorrow and see what the deal is. Thanks very much! Maria _____________________________ CavalierLady Photography http://www.cavalierlady.com (in reply to rubyaim)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 23:22:14 quote: One of the advantages of using FP, is knowing that FP "keeps everything in sync". Being still fairly new to html, I can envision all sorts of broken pages/images/links, etc., if I don't pay close attention. It's no so bad really - I promise I still manage the web in FrontPage as normal, and it takes care of the links and things if they change. The only thing you have to be careful about is making sure you load all the changed files. To make this easier, I just jot down the names of any folders that contain changed files, and then when I FTP I make sure I go to those folders. I think most FTP Clients allow you to sort the files by 'date changed' order - that is a big help. That's not to say I've not forgotten something, but it only happened once In FrontPage, do a search for 'ftp' - I'm using FP03 and the info in help looks pretty good. _____________________________ Sally (in reply to CavalierLady)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/15/2005 23:27:01 quote: If includes are perfectly allright, and extensions don't matter there, then I am hoping I can publish Opps, I missed that - unfortunatley that's one thing you can not do - FrontPage 'Publish' needs the extensions. You can use it to FTP as per Corey's and Larry's posts. You can also not open your site 'live' without the extensions and need to work locally. _____________________________ Sally (in reply to CavalierLady)


caz Posts: 3626 Joined: 10/10/2001 From: Somewhere south of Chester, UK Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/16/2005 5:31:11 Have you tried Publishing to quote: http://www.nameofyoursite.com/maria/ that should land you in the right folder and assuming that the extensions are applied to that location on the server it should work. _____________________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will dance, or more on your keyboard. Cheshire cat. www.doracat.co.uk I remember when it took less than 4hrs to fly across the Atlantic. (in reply to rubyaim)


CavalierLady Posts: 248 From: Texas USA Status: offline	RE: Multiple User Publish/FTP to One Site? - 9/16/2005 9:42:06 Thank you Caz and Sally, I have written a support letter to serverfly to ask about the extensions, ftp, publish, usernames, subdomains, fp extensions, etc. Hopefully I will hear from them sometime today. Like you said, so long as I add .../maria to all my pages, creating a "folder" like you do in ftp shouldn't be an issue. Thanks for all the suggestions, I appreciate it. Maria _____________________________ CavalierLady Photography http://www.cavalierlady.com (in reply to caz)