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luv2tan Posts: 9 Joined: 9/29/2005 Status: offline	underscore to hyphen - 9/29/2005 16:06:13 is there a way to change the default way frontpage saves new pages with an underscore to saving it with a hyphen between words?


womble Posts: 5726 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/29/2005 16:11:28 You're best not using spaces between words in file names as it can cause problems. Welcome to OF BT! _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to luv2tan)


luv2tan Posts: 9 Joined: 9/29/2005 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/29/2005 16:38:08 Hi What i mean is, suppose i create a new page and the title is "my first page", you then click to save and frontpage will highlight the save page name as my_first_page.htm. I want to save my default pages as my-first-page.htm. Is there a way to do this without having to retype underscores into hyphens each time? Thanks. (in reply to womble)


womble Posts: 5726 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/29/2005 16:50:49 I don't think there is, though I don't tend to use FP much these days, so I may be wrong, but you're better off not using spaces at all if you can help it, partly because it can cause technical problems, but also because if anyone's typing the full url in their browser, it makes life more difficult if you have to type hyphens and underscores as well. _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to luv2tan)


luv2tan Posts: 9 Joined: 9/29/2005 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 2:56:01 You have to make your page names readable to a spider if you want to have any sort of optismation for your pages. People dont type the url in full, they normally go to a search engine for their search and click the link. If i make a page for advertising then it would be like mydomain.com/gohere but inner pages have to be properly named. (in reply to womble)


Tailslide Posts: 6370 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 3:08:40 Why don't you just name your pages with hyphens then? Don't use spaces and FP won't have a chance to put in underscores. _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to luv2tan)


luv2tan Posts: 9 Joined: 9/29/2005 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 3:25:58 hum, perpaps im not explaining this correctly. The page name is <title>this is a page for blue widgets</title> gaps in the words. Cannot have the title with no gaps as it will be read by a human. Now i click to save this new page and by default fp will save as this_is_a_page_for_blue_widgets.htm I then have to retype the underscores to hyphens. It doesnt to me it would be helpful if there was an option to chnage the way the deafult is saved. (in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6370 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 4:35:42 What's in the Title tag should have no bearing on the page name - you can have <title>this is a page for blue widgets</title> and a page name that's totally different. I have an old copy of FP 2000 on my machine and I just tried it - Sure enough it will bring up whatever's in the title tag as the default name for the file when you try to save it - but you just override it with whatever name you want and click "save". _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to luv2tan)


luv2tan Posts: 9 Joined: 9/29/2005 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 4:51:59 right. As i said you just have to retype. My question was if the default setting of saving with an underscore between words can be changed to a hyphen which is far more search engine friendly. Sure you can retype each one but it would save a lot of time when creating multiple pages to not have to do that. (in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6370 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 5:21:22 Ok you've got me there! I've never considered typing in a file name (even multiple ones) a problem - but also my page titles are a lot longer than my page names so it would never work to have one the same as the other. _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to luv2tan)


luv2tan Posts: 9 Joined: 9/29/2005 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 5:30:58 no, they are not exactly the same, just the first bit example <title>large blue widgets, widgets for building more widgets</title> page name would be large-blue-widgets.htm i just delete the last bit of the title from the default that comes up in fp. (in reply to Tailslide)


golfer Posts: 1819 Joined: 1/5/2005 From: Bath, Wiltshire, UK Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 5:52:11 I am not aware of any way to over-ride this setting. From my own experience the underscoring does not affect search engines. Google has picked up individual pages on a clients site even using an underscore. _____________________________ Ian 'You'll miss me when I've gone' (in reply to luv2tan)


luv2tan Posts: 9 Joined: 9/29/2005 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 6:05:15 the question is not if it gets spidered but how it reads the title. Google recognises a hyphen as a stop symbol. Underscores are treated differently. If you want your title to be given full relevance you need to use hyphens. (in reply to golfer)


womble Posts: 5726 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 6:13:52 I think the short answer's no, there isn't a way to change FP's default way of naming pages, though like Tailslide, I've never had a problem typing filenames. As for SEO and how SEs spider pages, that's probably a discussion that's best had over in the SEO forum. _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to luv2tan)


luv2tan Posts: 9 Joined: 9/29/2005 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 6:43:41 i never asked for a seo discussion but since people were putting out relevant comments i replied to them. I was just asking one thing, if the option to change from saving with underscores to hyphens was do_able. Thanks anyway. (in reply to womble)


Reflect Posts: 4769 From: USA Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 15:24:51 Hi luv2tan and welcome to Outfront!!! No there is not a setting inside of FP to do this. I looked around for some registry hacks to change this behavior and found something from JImco's (which is a respected site ((I'm a SpyWare paranoid person))). Best thing yet....it's free. On the hyphen and underscore. The hyphen is called a delimiter not a stop word, I apologize on correcting you. Take care, Brian _____________________________ (in reply to luv2tan)


luv2tan Posts: 9 Joined: 9/29/2005 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 16:39:05 hum..took a browse but didnt see anything...any ideas what page that was on..the software page? (in reply to Reflect)


AMysticWeb Posts: 855 Joined: 10/23/2002 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 9/30/2005 23:15:07 Unfortunately, it is difficult and disturbing that we can't tell FrontPage what to do. As to spaces being replaced by dashes or underscore, they are both acceptsable methods. I honestly don't think the search engines can tell the difference. Maybe I am wrong, but ieitherway, I don't think it would make an appreciable difference. Jimco does it again. Recently released Space Replacer 2. It will change those ugly spaces to underscore or to the character of your choice, which may or may not be a (-). _____________________________ Hope I have been of some help, Micheal [URL=http://web.archive.org/web/20060101013129/http://www.frontpageforms.com/]FrontPageForms.com-Archive Version[/URL] I am living Proof that Viral Procrastination exists! (in reply to luv2tan)


golfer Posts: 1819 Joined: 1/5/2005 From: Bath, Wiltshire, UK Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 10/3/2005 4:53:12 Just tried FP2003 and this does allow you to use a hyphen instead of an underscore. _____________________________ Ian 'You'll miss me when I've gone' (in reply to AMysticWeb)


Reflect Posts: 4769 From: USA Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 10/3/2005 14:03:18 quote: I honestly don't think the search engines can tell the difference. Maybe I am wrong, but ieitherway, I don't think it would make an appreciable difference. Big difference, even Google on the webmaster pages say to use hyphens as they are delimiters and it will be seen as two words VS. word_one being one word.. Here is a direct link to the Jimco utility I mentioned in my last post... http://www.jimcoaddins.com/addins.aspx Take care, Brian _____________________________ (in reply to golfer)


AMysticWeb Posts: 855 Joined: 10/23/2002 Status: offline	RE: underscore to hyphen - 10/4/2005 2:29:33 Hi Brian, Thanks for clarifying. I always use underscore myself. Never liked the look of hyphens. _____________________________ Hope I have been of some help, Micheal [URL=http://web.archive.org/web/20060101013129/http://www.frontpageforms.com/]FrontPageForms.com-Archive Version[/URL] I am living Proof that Viral Procrastination exists! (in reply to Reflect)