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Search engines - 9/30/2005 15:32:28   
Ok, in the discussions about my site, this subject has come up several times. so now I have a couple questions about that.

1.) Do search engines only look at the page marked as index?

2.) When they look at a page to they scan the text looking for the key words?

3.) Are there any tricks to improving ones chance of getting hits with search engines?

As always, you guys are very helpful, and very patient with my limited knowledge, and stupid questions.

Matt N.
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RE: Search engines - 10/1/2005 3:49:58   
Matt

There are much more knowledgeable experts about SEO on here than me - but to my knowledge:

Search engines will look at the page you submit to them (although they may well find it by themselves given time). They generally ask that you only submit the main page.

Search engines "like" several things about a site:
1. A URL relevant to whatever the SE user has typed in to the SE box. So if the user has typed in Blue Widgets - the search engine will favour a site called bluewidgets.com
2. The page title. This should also contain the key phrase that you're aiming at - so in our example it could be <title>Blue Widgets | bluewidget.com | Homepage</title> or something along those lines.
3. It likes <h1> tags (only one on a page) for your main page heading.
4. It likes lots of relevant text with the key phrase sprinkled in. It particularly likes changing content.

The worry is with a splash page that it doesn't find anything of relevance apart from a single link and a couple of images and so won't bother checking the site further.

Search engines will also ban you if they think you're trying to fool them by for instance having your key phrase too many times, especially if the text is hidden.

To my knowledge currently (and they do change how they work) Search Engines value Back Links from other sites above anything else. I believe it also has to be links from relevant sites rather than just a link farm for instance. I have also heard (speculation this I think) that the link has to be from a site with higher page rank than your own or it doesn't have any "authority". You also have to be careful about how fast you get links from other sites. If you suddenly get thousands of links Google will think you're trying to con it and it'll drop you.

Have a look through the SEO forum here - that's where the real Google Geeks hang out (we keep the door locked in case of escape but Spooky feeds them occasionally to keep them happy).



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RE: Search engines - 10/1/2005 4:47:59   
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Have a look through the SEO forum here - that's where the real Google Geeks hang out (we keep the door locked in case of escape but Spooky feeds them occasionally to keep them happy).
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I'll also add my own limited knowledge.

Adding to what Tailslide said, the page title is what'll come up in the SE results, so make sure it's something that's meaningful.

Remember to use alt tags on your images (displays if the image doesn't load for any reason, and useful for accessibility purposes) but don't cram alt tags full of keywords (they have to be relevant to the image) or SEs will penalise you for that.

If there are any pages you don't want appearing in SE results, you can use a robots.txt file to block SEs from any pages you don't want indexed (I seem to remember there's a tutorial on them here on OF - look at the tutorials link at the top of the page).

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RE: Search engines - 10/1/2005 13:03:54   
Thanks, guys. Now what are <h1> tags, and alt tags and how do I use them. Actually Womble described what alt tags are, but I still don't know how to use them.

Tailslide mentioned search engines looking at the page that you submit to them. How is this done?

As always, you guys are very helpful.(even with your limited knowledge:)

Matt N.

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RE: Search engines - 10/1/2005 17:42:00   
Alt tags (alternative) are displayed if for any reason the image doesn't load, and are read out by screen readers). They're simply added into the img tag in the code, e.g.
<img src="/images/pic1.gif height="50" width="50" alt="picture of a widget" />
To add them in FP you can either add it in manually in code/split view, or in design view double-click the image to bring up the 'picture properties' box. On the 'general' tab in that there's a section called 'alternative representations' and a box that says 'text'. That's where you type the text you want in the alt tag.

<H1> tags are heading tags, <H1> being the top level heading, which as Tailslide said, there should be only one of on each page (usually the main heading on the page). By default it's the biggest font visually, though you can change that either using css or in FP.

Starting a page from scratch, to make text a <H1>, pick 'heading 1' from the 'style' drop down list on the toolbar (on the left hand side) (you can change the font/size etc. by using the drop down boxes on the toolbar). On a pre-existing page, you can use the quick tag editor. If you highlight some text a list of tags that apply to that selection appears just under the page tabs (in FP2003 anyhow), e.g. <body>, <div>, <table> etc. If you hover over it, a little arrow appears on the right of the tag, and if you click on that it brings up a drop-down list of options. That can get a little complicated though knowing what to change where if you don't know too much html. The best option's probably to delete the text you want as a <h1> heading, select 'heading 1' from the drop-down style list, and re-type the text.

On submitting to SEs, there are loads of companies out there who claim to submit your site to 100's of SE's but I don't think they're generally worth it. It's the biggies you need to get indexed by (and of course Google's the biggest of them all), as most of the smaller SEs are fed by the biggies anyhow. With some hosting packages you can submit your site to SEs through your host. For example I can submit to a number of SEs through my control panel. SEs also spider sites. It doesn't happen overnight, but that's one of the reasons why links from other sites are important, because SE spiders follow the links from other pages to yours. You can submit manually to each SE - the method differs between the SEs - somewhere on their sites they'll tell you how to do it.

According to my SE book (not sure how up to date it is), the important ones are Google, Yahoo, The Open Directory Project, and Teoma/Ask Jeeves (and possibly MSN).

You can tell if your site's indexed by going to the SE and for example for Google, in the search box, typing "site:yourdomain.com" (where 'yourdomain.com' is your domain address). That'll bring up all the pages on that domain Google has indexed. For Yahoo, go to dir.yahoo.com, and just type "yourdomain.com" in the search box and select the 'directory' option. (I've just tried it on Google for your site and it's coming up with 127 results, though most of those seem to be the forum - not a lot else is indexed yet).

Also, as I mentioned before, you might want to read the tutorial on how to set up a robots.txt file. That's used to tell SEs which pages to ignore, index and whether or not to follow links.

Okay, that's just about the extent of my SEO knowledge - hope it helps - and I'm sure the SEO geeks experts will be along to correct me if I'm wrong :)

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