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womble -> Finished(ish) at long last! (10/24/2005 18:13:30)

Me: Come on out then and let all those nice folks on OF have a look at you.
Website: <sulks>Don't want to!</sulks>
Me: Now, come on...
Website: <sulks>I want to stay here!</sulks>
Me: <stroppy>Now come on and get out on OF, NOW!</stroppy>
Website: <tantrum>No! No! No!</tantrum>
/enables talking to small child mode
Me: Why not? You'll like it there...
Website: <sniff>Won't...</sniff>
Me: Now play nicely!
Website: Want to stay here where it's nice and warm!
/looses cool
Me: Now if you don't get out there now I'll put you on a windows server!!!!
/website bursts into tears and shuffles out onto OF...

www.ddeaf.org.uk/test/
(the original's at www.ddeaf.org.uk/ btw)

Don't you just hate stroppy websites!?!?! [8D]

Still awaiting a little content, but all should now be fully functional.

Any comments/suggestions/improvements?

[:)]



BeTheBall -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/24/2005 18:30:56)

Very, very nice. My only petty comment would be that the row of tabs is lower for Home than for all the others. For example, click event and watch the row of tabs move vertically up the page, then click Home again and watch it move down again. This happens in IE, FF and Opera. Not a big deal and maybe even intentional? Aside from that, I think it is excellent.



womble -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/24/2005 19:02:23)

Well spotted Duane, thanks for that! [:)] (isn't intentional and I've been staring at the damned thing for so long I never noticed)
I think it may be because there's an extra <div> on the home page for the text-sizer. I'll have a play about with it tomorrow.



dpf -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/24/2005 19:05:42)

excellent excelent



Nicole -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/24/2005 19:45:17)

Womble!

It's terrific, I really like it and it's a great improvement on the old site. I have some questions regarding the text resizing and how the page then requires horizontal scrolling at 800x600 but I'll ask them in the Accessibility forum as i'm also about to start a site where I think I need to know more about this. (Think I've worked that out: You needed to resize your wrapper because the tabs wouldn't work otherwise?)

From a layout perspective it's great also, I really like the way you've used those tabs instead of pull-out or drop-down menus, but at the bottom of each page there seems to be a lot of vacant space whereas pushing everything up a bit might eliminate that.

Did you also try centering all the footer information, the design credit, host info and the stickers and maybe even putting them outside the container just on the blue background?

I'm interested also whether you consider the "Accessibility Built In" angled logo on the accessibility page is light enough against text over the top? Not a problem for me, but just wondering as I'm also starting to place faded images behind the text but have faded them a lot so as not to clash at all with the text.

Well done!

Nicole

Edit: Pathetic isn't it how people (like me) pick at tiny things! I've just taken a look at your CSS Womble, you've put a mountain of time into that. I'm in awe!



golfer -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/25/2005 4:52:00)

Love the site Womble.

Well done.



Donkey -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/25/2005 8:46:17)

Very nice site Rachel! A great improvement on your previous one. It is definitely worth all the hard work.

Just one tiny thing that I am surprised no one else has commented on; you are still spelling 'Deaf' wrong. Unless of course that is the welsh language version.[:D]



mar0364 -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/25/2005 9:09:40)

Youve done a great job! Funny how nothing can replace hard work.



dpf -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/25/2005 9:16:52)

quote:

Funny how nothing can replace hard work.
..except beingfilthy rich



womble -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/25/2005 9:17:42)

quote:

I have some questions regarding the text resizing and how the page then requires horizontal scrolling at 800x600 but I'll ask them in the Accessibility forum as i'm also about to start a site where I think I need to know more about this. (Think I've worked that out: You needed to resize your wrapper because the tabs wouldn't work otherwise?)

Correct. Without the expanding width the tabs wrap most unattractively. Not an ideal solution, but I'm still working on ways to fix it without resorting to the expanding width.

quote:

at the bottom of each page there seems to be a lot of vacant space whereas pushing everything up a bit might eliminate that.

Did you also try centering all the footer information, the design credit, host info and the stickers and maybe even putting them outside the container just on the blue background?

Still playing about to try and do something about that.

quote:

I'm interested also whether you consider the "Accessibility Built In" angled logo on the accessibility page is light enough against text over the top?

Good point, I'll have a look at that.

quote:

Just one tiny thing that I am surprised no one else has commented on; you are still spelling 'Deaf' wrong. Unless of course that is the welsh language version.:)

Yes Peter, most inconsiderate of the group to coin a new word that everyone thinks has been mis-spelled. I shall have to convince the deaf community not to have to versions of the word deaf, depending on who they're talking about [8D]

(Note for anyone who's confused: 'Deaf' refers to the sign language community, and 'deaf' refers to other deaf people - hard of hearing, deaf, deafened, and deafblind. The group calls itself 'Ddeaf' to show they cover all deaf people).

On the same subject, I'm not sure using the 'ddeaf' will be too good in terms of SEO (I don't think most people would search for 'ddeaf'), but not sure there's much I can do about that if they insist on using weird spellings except make sure the explanation's included at regular intervals.



womble -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/25/2005 9:19:21)

oh dear, Mr pdf goes OT again (what a surprise)...[sm=whistling.gif] (just kidding [;)])



Nicole -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/25/2005 16:23:02)

You could use the <acronym> tag for the first instance of the word "ddeaf" on each page. That could alleviate some confusion?

Also, Foxy Voice was reading the word "ddeaf" as "d-d-e-a-f" and the word "deaf" as "deef" which I thought was odd given that "deaf" is a common word that foxy voice should know.

Nicole



womble -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/25/2005 16:46:16)

I noticed that with FoxyVoice too, though my biggest problem at the moment is that I've been doing some browser testing today and the menu tabs go floating off down the page in IE5 (posted over in the css forum). At first I thought it could be the peekaboo bug, but as it's only affecting IE5, not 6, and there aren't any floats in the menu, I'm baffled. [&:]



Donkey -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/26/2005 7:32:41)

quote:

Also, Foxy Voice was reading the word "ddeaf" as "d-d-e-a-f" and the word "deaf" as "deef" which I thought was odd given that "deaf" is a common word that foxy voice should know.
My Foxy Voice reads "ddeaf"as "deef" and "deaf" as "deaf". Is yours set to Australian English?[:D]



walrus -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/26/2005 17:49:23)

this is such a good site

it's obvious how much work has gone in to this

as an example of functional website design, I regard this as a point of reference

well done



RickP -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/27/2005 7:41:27)

Hi Womble!

I would echo the previous positive comments - overall a very good site[;)]

My one point for further improvement/consideration relates to the text sizing option (er, two points actually!)...

You have the text-sizer on the home page and accessibility page but not on other pages. Bearing in mind that most visitors to most websites do not enter the site at the home page I think if such an option is included it would be better to have it available from within every page - available to all from the moment a visitor arrives. Plus, personally, when I have been on a site and decided to change the font size (using the browser options) I have often decided further on in the site that I want to change the size again! So that would be another reason for providing the facility from within all pages.

On the same subject essentially... when the larger sizes are chosen the page then goes off-screen (even at 1024px resolution setting) - isn't this counter productive? - negating the accessibility advantages being offered by the feature?

Just my two penneth worth on that one but otherwise it's very nice[:D]



womble -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/27/2005 12:15:30)

The text sizer is now on all of the pages, though I haven't uploaded the latest version yet as moving the text sizer on the home page to the top of the page was the only way to keep the tabs consistently in the same place on between the pages as Duane pointed out, so with them more 'out of the way' up there it seemed sensible to put it on all the pages.

Unfortunately with the text sizing and page width, it was the only way to do it without the tabs breaking horribly at the larger text sizes, so I stuck with that until I can think up something better, but I am aware it's an issue.



jaybee -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/27/2005 12:32:24)

Brilliant site Wombley. Really like the text resize thing. Very neat.



RickP -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/27/2005 13:28:27)

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Unfortunately with the text sizing and page width, it was the only way to do it without the tabs breaking horribly at the larger text sizes, so I stuck with that until I can think up something better, but I am aware it's an issue.


Could you not have a fixed width for the tabs themselves (using the full width of the default layout), center the text (as it already is), set the left & right padding inside the tabs to 0 - then this would allow for the text to grow without the overall nav bar needing to grow - no? [8|]



womble -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/27/2005 15:01:39)

No, the text overhangs the tabs on the larger font sizes.



RickP -> RE: Finished(ish) at long last! (10/27/2005 15:24:29)

Oh well... always the snag eh![:-]



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