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Reflect
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Linux? - 10/28/2005 11:59:13
Hello,
I really was hoping to get some opinions and application reconmends.
I am thinking about dual booting on my home computer with WXP and a version of Linux desktop. Novell NetWare NOS next version will be based on the Linux kernel. I was asked if I would like to pursue a CLP (certified Linux professional) certification at our org..
With that said I feel a good place to start would be on my home computer. Get the basics down as I BELIEVE the only different on desktop VS. server is services that can be run (Please correct me if I am wrong here).
Anyway the applications I use primarily are:
Office
FrontPage
Dreamweaver
Pixie (a small program that when activated will give you the hex values on colors your mouse hovers on.)
FastStats (A log analyzer program for parsing raw W3C log files)
WS_FTP
Email
Web Browsers
Picasa (a graphics program. Pretty basic but useful)
PhotoShop
Are there Linux based programs that can take the place of the above listed applications?
I am thinking SUSE as that is what Novell bought. I am not sure if there is a big difference in that and say Red Hat, mandrake, etc..
Also are there emulation programs that can be run on Linux that will emulate a Windows enviorment? If so how sluggish do they run (resource hog or not)?
That's all I can think of now but I am sure I will have more questions.
Also any really helpful beginner web sites that you really thought stood out for reference/help?
Also on dual booting with WXP and Linux which boot manager should I use? XPs boot.ini or whatever Linux has to offer.
Thank you,
Brian
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fearnosurf
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RE: Linux? - 10/28/2005 12:36:32
Office - open office / Koffice
FrontPage - no clue
Dreamweaver - no clue
WS_FTP
Email Gnome mail or Kmail
Web Browsers Mozilla should be all anyone uses now :)
Picasa - GIMP
PhotoShop - GIMP
Most Company's run Red Hat, so I would get a client version of Red Hat OR Fedora (red hat's open source one) fedora.redhat.com
Look at these address's:
Distro's:
fedora.redhat.com
ubuntu.com
Apps:
gnome.org
kde.org
gimp.org
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balisada
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RE: Linux? - 10/28/2005 12:44:21
Hi,
I happen to know that Ubuntu is free. You can download or request a CD (4-6 weeks delivery, and they have just come out with a new distribution) and the CD is free, as is shipping.
I can't vouch for how good it is, because I am only just "dipping my toe" into the Linux world for the first time (thought I would try it out since those who have it seem to be happy with it).
But, if you have a spare computer, you could at least install it for free, try it out, and make a decision and only spent time and not money.
Balisada
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fearnosurf
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RE: Linux? - 10/28/2005 12:58:00
I run Ubuntu and like it very much. The problem is it's based on Debian, which is good, but most Large companies run Red hat.
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Reflect
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RE: Linux? - 10/28/2005 15:05:32
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Web Browsers Mozilla should be all anyone uses now :)
Actually I have as many different browsers as I can for testing reasons. Is IE, FF, Opera compatible (among others)?
Gimp looks pretty cool.
Thank you,
Brian
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RE: Linux? - 10/31/2005 12:25:57
Brian
I'll cut before Bobby does.
For your web design needs, there is a neat little program called Quanta: http://quanta.kdewebdev.org/
I've used it on linux before, and it does work very well :)
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RE: Linux? - 10/31/2005 20:10:19
Sorry, been out of town on business and nowhere near a PC for several days... okay, here goes...
Distro's for starters:
I prefer Debian - if you're going to go for systems admin stuff, install the real Debian, not a variant... the headaches will be worth it to you more in the long run.
Coroporations tend to use Red Hat more than any other. It's probably what your class will be tought with.
Applications:
Office - OpenOffice 2.0 (Just released)
FrontPage - Quanta Plus (Included in KDE desktop)
Dreamweaver - Quanta - Plus
Pixie - none I'm aware of...
FastStats - too many to mention
WS_FTP - KBear (plus others)
Email - Evolution, Mozilla (or Thunderbird), or KMail
Web Browsers - pretty much everything is available for Linux except for IE
Picasa - not available on Linux (yet... look for v. 3) lots of alternatives tho
PhotoShop - GIMP is cool, but for the Photoshop fanatic try the beta Windows port of Gimpshop
You're pretty much correct in that the same Linux kernel runs servers and desktops... it's a matter of what you put on top of it that eventually makes a difference.
SUSE and Mandriva (formerly Mandrake) are similar to Red Hat in that they use the same package management system or a variation of it.
WINE (recursive achronym: Wine Is Not an Emulator) will let you run a lot of Windows applications on Linux. It's not always easy to get it working tho. Picasa, for example, works great once you get it set up right...
There's also Win4Lin which does a pretty good job, but you still need a valid Windows license for the Windows install.
CrossoverOffice let's you run several high end Windows programs under Linux, like Photoshop, MS Office, etc. It's not inexpensive though.
I prefer the grub boot manager to LILO, however it's best to create a boot floppy when you do your install... because Windows has a tendancy to overwrite the MBR when it detects alternative OS's on it.
Hmmm... great beginner sites...
www.google.com/linux
(for all your linux specific searches)
linuxquestions.org isn't bad for all around questions
distrowatch.com is a great place to research your distro of choice
Once you pick a distribution, chances are it has its own very useful community forum. None have let me down yet.
I like madpenguin.org - but mainly because they have a beer forum as well. 
Just pick a free distro, download and install it and play around.
Then as SL Jackson said on Jurassic Park, "Hold on to your butts!"
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RE: Linux? - 10/31/2005 20:40:22
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Pixie - none I'm aware of...
Firefox (which has a linux version) has an extension called Colorzilla, which is similar to Pixie.
http://www.iosart.com/firefox/colorzilla/
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Reflect
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RE: Linux? - 11/1/2005 13:47:59
My bad. The Linux version I will need to run is suse. this is the version Novell aquired and what I will need to get used to.
Lot of great links. Once the current site I am working on is finished, the new weight bench/cage combo gets assembled I will make Linux next on the list.
Question, windows emulators (Like you mentioned Bobby) are they really worth it? I mean what sort of resource hog are they?
Thanks again,
Brian
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