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paul rayner
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?? instead of real characters on pages - 11/26/2005 2:53:49
Hi
I did a page for a mate, using FP2003. I think I've used Arial as the font.
He's complaining that he sees ? on the page - http://www.motelcarnarvon.com.au/ instead of 1/2.
Apparently it's on a few pages on the site.
What would cause this??
I found one page where there's a square, instead of an apostrophe? Why?
I use IE 6, and can't see some of the errors he's talking about.
Cheers
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paul rayner
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RE: ?? instead of real characters on pages - 11/26/2005 4:32:00
Thanks
but shouldn't a WYSIWYG editor, do all that for me???????
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RE: ?? instead of real characters on pages - 11/26/2005 6:20:18
The short answer is, not necessarily. WYSIWYG works up to a point, but all wysiwyg editors have their limitations, and this is one of them. It's all to do with character encoding which is far too complicated for my little brain to fathom out at this time in a morning.
While often you can get away without using character entities not all browsers will interpret them correctly. The symbols that are used in print, don't translate to the screen very well, and though in an ideal standards compliant world FP would take account of that and translate typed characters to character entities in the code, it's M$, so it doesn't - though come to think of it, the others don't AFAIK either, so perhaps that's a little unfair.
Other reasons why character entitities are sometimes needed (apart from the pendantic 'it's standards compliant'  ), some symbols such as such as the left bracket (<), ampersand (&), etc. are reserved by HTML to represent special attributes such as the start of HTML elements etc. and browsers can misinterpret them and think they're part of the html code, and not all browsers support all symbols. Also as shown in your first post, some aren't easy to input on a keyboard. Using a character entity rather than typing 1/2, e.g. the fraction one Donkey mentioned gives you a proper ½ symbol. Not all symbols are represented in every font, so even if there is a symbol for whatever you're wanting to use in the font you've designed in, depending on what fonts the user's got installed on their machine they might not display at all. Also, particularly letters with accents, mathematical symbols etc. simply can't be typed on the keyboard, and though your font may have them as special characters, you can't guarantee that every font and every browser are going to show them the same.
A couple of other character entity charts:
http://www.evolt.org/article/as/17/21234/
http://www.santagata.us/characters/CharacterEntities.html
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RE: ?? instead of real characters on pages - 11/26/2005 6:27:31
are you pasting your text in only as text i.e. from notepad?? if not you may get inappropriate characters
incidentally your url leads to this
Fedora Core Test Page
This page is used to test the proper operation of the Apache HTTP server after it has been installed. If you can read this page, it means that the Apache HTTP server installed at this site is working properly.
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RE: ?? instead of real characters on pages - 11/26/2005 7:40:35
quote:
special characters re: golfer
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paul rayner
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RE: ?? instead of real characters on pages - 11/26/2005 17:03:59
Thanks guys - very imformative.
Busy editing now.
Cheers
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