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_gail -> text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 9:25:15)

A representative from a comparison shopping site contacted me an wants to pay an annual fee for placing a simple text link on the home page of my website. They require no information about impressions, etc. which is just fine with me.

I believe the shoping site is a respected one, though probably not as well known as, say, Froogle. (I'd put the name in this thread but I don't want it to be picked up by search engines).

The offer seems nice but I'm wondering if there are any potential drawbacks. Any opinions or suggestions appreciated.

thanks, gail




Mojo -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 10:43:18)

They are trying to build backlinks and it's quite common. I would try and make the link appear natural - rather than just a link to the site maybe mention something about the industry and link to them as a service that you used.

I'm sure your aware that Google doesn't like any third part screwing with their search rankings and the risk associated with it. IMO, the risk is minimal and site owners should be able to link to whoever they want. From Matt Cutts blog - http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/tell-me-about-your-backlinks/




_gail -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 11:15:32)

I read the blog page and there is not a lot there that made any sense to me. Not the bloggers fault but mine.

The type of link they want would simply say something like this:

Buy widgets

Is that okay? Is even a minimal risk worth it (not sure if the risk is theirs or mine)?

I certainly don't want to do anything to jepordize my association with Google. Still, I think I should be freely allowed to take ads from other companies.




Mojo -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 11:29:45)

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I certainly don't want to do anything to jepordize my association with Google. Still, I think I should be freely allowed to take ads from other companies.


I agree. If it were me I would place the link inside a short paragraph describing the service. It will be more valuable to the company then just a simple link drop and it will make you site look better also - sort of like you actually think the site you're linking to has some value.

Better yet, make an entire page about this kind of service and link to the company and a few non-competing sources such as any .edu's or .gov's if possible. These have been called pre-sell or content hosting pages... visit http://www.webuildpages.com/presell-pages.htm for a better description.




_gail -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 11:51:49)

I think, for now, I'd do the former.

Do you think I should write and ask Google about it?




Mojo -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 12:07:51)

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Do you think I should write and ask Google about it?



No. I wouldn't. Never expose yourself. Move along below the radar and you'll enjoy more days without stress.

I am fairly certain Google would say 'don't sell links'. This is why I suggest having the link inside a short paragraph so it looks more inline with your site in case you ever get a hand job.




dpf -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 12:11:18)

<rant>every time I read this stuff my blood boils... who is google? they dictate how the internet "should function" - BS. I have 2 clients - one is a woodworker and the other an attorney - that are good friends and want to help each other by offering a link. that is a real world situation but to Google, it is subversive - again, BS. </unrant>




_gail -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 13:59:06)

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I have 2 clients - one is a woodworker and the other an attorney - that are good friends and want to help each other by offering a link. that is a real world situation


So, have they done so? Do they both also use AdSense?




_gail -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 14:00:10)

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If it were me I would place the link inside a short paragraph describing the service.


Sort of like Tom does on the left hand columns of this site? Should I also put Sponsors?

Thanks again!




dpf -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 14:35:35)

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So, have they done so? Do they both also use AdSense?
yes and yes..<smile> and no negative consequences. it just irritates me that Googles position is that if you sell a link, you are somehow doing something"wrong". It is an elitist position to take. When the baseball teams in the early 1900s started selling banner ads on the outfield fences, was that wrong? no Google wants a "pure" internet where links are "votes" as to the usefulness of a site - well, wake up - the internet has developed into a commercial medium. <unrant_again_lol>




_gail -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 14:40:16)

I don't have enough knowledge to understand all the ramifications. I only know that I should have the right to accept any advertiser I want. And unless they steal and are using copyrighted Google technology, they should be allowed to advertise using text.




dpf -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 14:43:51)

ignore my rant thou...as mojo says "stay under the radar and you will be fine" - point is, if you have hundreds or thousands of sold links, Google will detect and "punish" you but a few..no problem but..as he says...dont write and ask them!!!!!! just do it




Mojo -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 15:12:20)

There is an entire cottage industry built up around selling text links. In some markets, the only way to compete is to purchase links or do something similar.

Here is a long quote from an interview with one of the top SEO people on the net. The entire article can be found at: http://www.seobuzzbox.com/greg-boser-interview.html

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Regarding linking absurdity, the original post I referred to was from a SEO humor blog called Sem Antics The piece was poking fun at the predicament that many new webmasters find themselves in, which in a nutshell comes down to: “It takes links to rank well, but you need to rank well to get links.”

In the pre-millennium days, search was the primary method used to find quality sites to link to. And providing your visitors with a broad selection of good off-site links was the norm. Someone with fairly basic SEO skills could launch a new site with good content and have a good chance of being found by other webmasters looking for sites to link to.

My Father is a perfect example. He put up a little website in 1997. When the site first went up, there were probably less than 100k pages on the web that contained his keyword phrase. There are now close to 10 million. Yet despite the dramatic increase in competition, he has managed to stay in the top 3 across every engine that ever existed during that time. He survived Black Monday, Florida, and all three Jaggers without a scratch. And he doesn’t really know squat about SEO. (Other than how to write a title tag).

His survival is due in large part to the 2000 or so quality backlinks he managed to obtain over the years. The makeup of his backlinks includes everything we strive for as SEO’s. Links from large news agencies, major .edu’s as well as other authoritative sites in his space. And the best part is the fact that he never paid or bartered for a single link. All he did was write articles.

The problem we face today when it comes to Google is the fact that link structures similar to my Father’s have become the base model for what is considered the ideal “natural” link map. On the surface it’s a great idea because these types of sites do contain great content and for the most part put very little thought into SEO. However, their ability to grow “naturally” only existed because they didn’t need the links to gain visibility in algorithmic search engines.

Once you take away algorithmic visibility, that ideal model collapses pretty quick. It would be virtually impossible for my Father to replicate what he’s done online if he started from scratch today. Google has become so restrictive when in comes to new content showing up in SERPS that he would have no chance of ever being found.


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_gail -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 17:22:37)

Thanks. Very interesting reading.

I'm curious. Isn't it better to have external links open in new windows? I see Tom doesn't.

btw, got the ad!! [:)] If you have a chance to take peek, do you think it looks okay; different enough from a Google ad?




Mojo -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/16/2005 20:53:51)

It looks fine to me.




dpf -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/17/2005 10:24:30)

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I'm curious. Isn't it better to have external links open in new windows? I see Tom doesn't.
..personal preference but most common to open in new window. i was, in fact, surprised that T doesnt.




Rocket Boy -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/20/2005 15:40:09)

I can't see that Google will mind.. Don't they infact have an option in the The Ad setup which allows you to insert an alternative ad supplier if Google targeted ads are not available?




Mojo -> RE: text ad on home page, yes or no? (12/20/2005 15:53:44)

They don't mind - unless it's another contextual ad program.




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