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jtm311 -> First Web page (12/18/2005 20:51:00)

Hello All this is my first web page, can you give me feedback good bad?

Thanks for all the help.

John



Kitka -> RE: First Web page (12/18/2005 23:36:24)

quote:

this is my first web page,


/looks around in vain for a URL for said web page ....

/scrabbles to locate her crystal ball, or failing that, the neighbourhood clairvoyant [&:]



jtm311 -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 7:35:52)

Thank You Kitka,, I guess this would help .. :) www.jtm311.com

John



dpf -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 8:53:58)

ditch the background!!!!!!!!



Darkside -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 12:34:28)

Link boxs are not aligned and different are sizes .
Plus there's no DOCTYPE.



jtm311 -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 14:36:52)

Thanks Dan I will concider that.

Dark Side they look fine with my explorer Can you tell me what you are using? Also not sure what you mean by DOCTYPE?

THanks for the info.



caz -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 15:04:34)

John, he was probably using Firefox which is a standards compliant browser, unlike IE so will not guess at the rendering of your page like IE will. For doctypes, which set the guidelines for browsers to display pages accurately this article may help to expain it to you,

My site doesn't work in x browser

I would also get rid of the blinking text at the top left of your page - it can be annoying and also be dangerous for anyone with epilepsy who happens across the page.

Good luck,
Carol



womble -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 15:05:54)

Ditto the flashing gifs. They're just too distracting.

Info on doctypes here: http://www.alistapart.com/stories/doctype/

and here: http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html



Darkside -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 16:39:06)

Yes firefox (didn't know anyone still used IE)[sm=whistling.gif][sm=lol.gif]


Get firefox and you'll see what i and others see



Darkside -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 17:29:43)

BTW the link boxs look even more out of alignment in Opera



traveler98 -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 18:02:36)

I think it would have been better to make the navigation buttons the same size and area as Darkside suggested.

I probably would have had 5 buttons and sublinks on those pages to the rest.

For example a button or link that says build photos. On that page show most recent and the links to past build photos on that page instead of the drop downs.

Change title on each page as well...just got on some page that says new page 4 and is a photo gallery from one of your builds, but couldn't tell which build I am looking at.

***********

All that being said --the topic looks very interesting and could be the start of a great site.



jtm311 -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 20:16:58)

Ok thanks for the input.. I do need some help with the doctype I've read the info but it is all greek to me :( I tried one of the ones shown of the site but now I have more errors..

I changed the top back and now reads this, Can anyone help, sorry if it should not go here.

John

<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">

<head>
<title>My 1999 Diablo Roadster Build</title>
<base target="_blank">
<style>
<!--
a:active { color: #0000FF }
.ebay{font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;}
.ebay span{font-size:x-small;}
.ebay .pagetitle{font-size:medium;font-weight:bold;}
-->
</style>
</head>



Darkside -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 20:27:46)

Add

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html lang="en">
<head>

At top of page then add

</head>
</html>

at the bottom but remove the <head> tag you have under the <meta> tags



Darkside -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 20:47:23)

why did i put

</head>
</html>

i ment

</body>
</html>
at the bottom of the page sorry



Darkside -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 20:51:15)

copy and paste this



<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<title>My 1999 Diablo Roadster Build</title>
<base target="_blank">
<style>
<!--
a:active { color: #0000FF }
.ebay{font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;}
.ebay span{font-size:x-small;}
.ebay .pagetitle{font-size:medium;font-weight:bold;}
-->
</style>
</head>



jtm311 -> RE: First Web page (12/19/2005 21:18:00)

Thanks Alot Darkside I added it Also think I also fixed the those boxes.


John

Traveler I will work on some of those changes... Anything Else ??? [:D]



Darkside -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 3:43:32)

Now check your code with this http://validator.w3.org/


Then look here for help to sort out your code http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp





jtm311 -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 8:06:26)

Hey Darkside,

Thanks I did try that is only has 58 errors :) the only thing I wanted to ask is about the doctype is the one you wrote correct because of this error?

John

This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!
Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML parser.

Error Line 11 column 5: element "STYL" undefined.
<styl>



Donkey -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 8:41:06)

Looks like a typo to me try <style> or even better <style type="text/css"> instead of <styl>



jtm311 -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 9:10:20)

You Dam man [:)]

That fixed that part I still get this mesage
This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!

But I can work through the other errors..

Thanks for all the help Happy Hoildays

John



Rocket Boy -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 11:31:12)

I have not even begun to get into the the realm of validation yet but would this site also be failing because of the frames?

I would get rid of the inline frame and if necessary have a couple (or a few gallery pages to detail the photo diary of the build instead.

I'd also be tempted to use buttons instead of drop down menus on the left.

Is that a hit counter int he top left? It doesn't seem to work (in FireFox) Also in ForeFox.. I cannot see any pink boxes as mentioned in other posts and the background appears as plain black, is that correct?



jtm311 -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 12:28:53)

Hello Rocket Thanks for the feedback I did start to clean it up a bit I removed the background and the blinking text :) I don't think the site is falling, is it? Funny thing is I did at one point have the link buttons but switched it to the drop downs ... As far as I can tell the hit button works in the IE and Netscape I have downloaded Firefox to see what it looks like.

John



Darkside -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 13:23:40)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jtm311

Hey Darkside,

Thanks I did try that is only has 58 errors :) the only thing I wanted to ask is about the doctype is the one you wrote correct because of this error?

John

This page is not Valid HTML 4.01 Transitional!
Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML parser.

Error Line 11 column 5: element "STYL" undefined.
<styl>




Yeah the doctype is fine it the code thats causing you the problems



Now you have firefox try this extension https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=249 it will save you going to the validator till you need to



caz -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 14:36:43)

The second link that Womble gave you above will take you to the dtd for framesets, which is essentially the same as the one for HTML4 Transitional. Frames DTD You should use the right doctype for your site, in this case frames.



Rocket Boy -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 14:55:23)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jtm311

Hello Rocket Thanks for the feedback I did start to clean it up a bit I removed the background and the blinking text :) I don't think the site is falling, is it? Funny thing is I did at one point have the link buttons but switched it to the drop downs ... As far as I can tell the hit button works in the IE and Netscape I have downloaded Firefox to see what it looks like.

John


Sorry, I didn't mean the site was physically failing (to load etc). you said there were 58 validation errors so I wonered if the frames would be causing some of these errors? [:D]



Darkside -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 16:32:37)

Sorry jtm311 looks like i did give you the wrong doctype after all [sm=icon_redface.gif]



womble -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 16:45:05)

Don't worry Darkside, I missed that one as well. It's the <iframe> that's causing the problem. As Caz says, if you want to keep the <iframe> you need to switch to a frameset DTD, though IMHO inframe's are more trouble than they're worth. Personally I'd go for a photo gallery option rather than the iframe.



jtm311 -> RE: First Web page (12/20/2005 17:20:06)

Once again thank you guys I will work on the site to improve it over the Holiday...

Safe and Happy Holiday to all, Thanks for the help.. :)

John



BaptistKitty -> RE: First Web page (12/22/2005 9:05:01)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Darkside

copy and paste this



<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<title>My 1999 Diablo Roadster Build</title>
<base target="_blank">
<style>
<!--
a:active { color: #0000FF }
.ebay{font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;}
.ebay span{font-size:x-small;}
.ebay .pagetitle{font-size:medium;font-weight:bold;}
-->
</style>
</head>



Hey, sorry this is a little off topic... but I saw this in the heading:

<base target="_blank">

and I was wondering about that tag.... does is do what it sounds like it does? Is it valid? does it work in all browsers? If it does that could be of great use to me...

Thanks!



womble -> RE: First Web page (12/22/2005 9:57:41)

Depends what you think it sounds like it does. [;)]

It just specifies that all links will open in a new window. Valid, and should work across all browsers.



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