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StevieB -> css validation and forms (1/2/2006 11:35:47)

Hi all,
I've been trying to learn css and validating as I go. I'm using FP02 and reworking to validate, but I can't get around this one.....

there is no attribute "webbot-action".


"webbot-action" does not appear on the page anywhere that I can see

Here's the code...

<form method="post" action="--WEBBOT-SELF--">
  <input type="hidden" name="VTI-GROUP" value="1"/><p>
  <textarea rows="8" name="S1" cols="61">


A couple of other changes that I made to validate (but have not tested yet)
I added the "/" to close <input type... , and made POST, ACTION, and HIDDEN all lower case

Any suggestions would be appreciated as always.

Steve




dpf -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 11:45:12)

webbot is part of MS proprietary code and wont pass W3c validation




StevieB -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 11:47:37)

Is there a way around it, without using the webbot?




Tailslide -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 11:57:59)

You can use another form script like FormMail - http://www.scriptarchive.com/nms.html (replacement for the old FormMail.pl script).

If you don't fancy that one then type "Form Script" into Google and have a look at the results.




StevieB -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 12:04:26)

Thanks for the help




dpf -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 12:05:26)

on the other hand, if everything except the bot validates, thats a good thing isnt it?




Tailslide -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 12:19:28)

Yep.

I'd weigh my experience of fiddling with form scripts against exactly how much 100% validation meant to me. I wouldn't be losing too much sleep over it frankly.

If you're determined to get 100% validity - then go for it by all means (warning - you'll end up sad and obsessive like me!).

I'd actually worry more about the accessibility of the form itself - I think it's more important to use <label> tags to make forms accessible than to worry about FP webbots not being 100% valid (did I just write that?).




coreybryant -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 12:44:52)

A great example on forms and using labels: Tableless forms. I have not upgraded all our forms yet - some have way too many inputs, but a lot of our contact forms, I have moved over to something like this.




StevieB -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 12:50:32)

I've been looking around the web. there are several Java script help sites and generators. Are java script forms accessible?? Would you recommend them?

Thanks for any comments




dpf -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 12:55:28)

lets clarify javascript "forms" - you can use js to validate the data before submittal - thats not the same validate as w3c - but java sccript cannot process a submitted form - you need a server side script to do that




Tailslide -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 14:23:29)

quote:

ORIGINAL: StevieB
Are java script forms accessible?? Would you recommend them?



Javascript is useful for form validation etc and isn't necessarily inaccessible - it just depends how you use it. Here's a useful link: http://www.usability.com.au/resources/forms.cfm


Edit: forgot this one - http://www.websemantics.co.uk/tutorials/accessible_forms/




StevieB -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 17:56:42)

Now my ignorance will really show..

quote:

you need a server side script to do that


Can you clarify server side script?

I am assuming that the FP extensions are the server side script for FP forms, but if was to use javascript would I need a host that supported js, or some other type of support, or would I simply load a .js file to the site?

Just need to know before I jump.

Steve




dpf -> RE: css validation and forms (1/2/2006 18:26:51)

server side scripts include php, asp , cold fusion et. al - FP extenstions use asp. javascript is executed on your browser by the browser - no host support needed. so the js code is in your html file and downloaded to the browser.




womble -> RE: css validation and forms (1/3/2006 5:28:24)

quote:

I'd actually worry more about the accessibility of the form itself - I think it's more important to use <label> tags to make forms accessible than to worry about FP webbots not being 100% valid (did I just write that?).

Yep, you did Tail! (you still hungover from the festivities? [;)])

Jaybee found a solution to the accessible and valid problem (and secure) over in the accessibility forum.




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