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Ok Let me have It - 3/14/2006 21:12:27
OK Let me have it first site i did it is for a private club and they wanted the scroller
Cortland Moose Lodge Need to view in IE sound wont play in firefox
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/16/2006 18:03:25
what no one want to help me out
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/16/2006 19:50:19
Ouch! Many, many "no-no's", I'm afraid.
Just a few: (1) Home page took three minutes to load on at 51.0 kbps dial-up (2) if you must have sound then have a way for visitors to turn it off, (3) three graphics on the home page don't load, (4) you're trying to cram too much content on the home page - it goes on and on and, inexplicably, the navigation buttons keep repeating, (5) there is horizontal scrolling at 1024 resolution, (6) fonts vary too widely in color, type and size (7) the scrolling text is very distracting, and (8) layout/planning/color coordination simply don't exist.
In my opinion this is a good example of a bad site. You did, afterall, say to "Let me have it" . 
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/18/2006 11:02:34
Thank you all for the ideas The Problem i Have Is 1 most members are not that computer savy so if i dont say click here they have no idea what the under line means. 2 the site is mainly for our members and other moose lodge members to views so as far as wotm , moose riders go in the link they all ready know what it stands for. 3 the lodge and officers of the lodge want the scroller on the page. 4 the home page is designed to be a one stop for the members to view upcoming activietes at the lodge. 5 the suprem lodge wants lots of moose pictures. please feel free to let me know how i can carry out there wishes as long as make the site better
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/18/2006 11:08:57
those are some good points.. in this section, we tend to review sites with a view towards the site gaining wide appeal. your site, like many others, is only intended to appeal to your members so in that context, i think some of "our" advice deosnt pertain.
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/18/2006 18:29:03
Bill,
What I'd give to be a member of an organisation with lots of members right now? You have an opportunity with this website to show your ability as a web designer and if you're serious about web design - attract more work through the creation of a very good website by showing it off to local chapter members, other "same level" chapter members and everyone up the line to your national body. I'm guessing, but aren't the members of these organisations drawn from all walks of life, from tradesmen to small business owners, executives, company directors etc?
A good website here could potentially see you in web design work for a very long time. If you're a member of this organisation do the site for nothing, or at most cost and advertise it and push it onto all members possible.
I read two things into the things you've mentioned above:
1. An attitude that a smallish society like this doesn't need all the glitz and glamour of a professional design, it's members only want to access the site for certain information, they don't want to pay a fortune, and the board of directors aren't really convinced a website is even necessary.
2. Given that I'm assuming here, I'll assume something else, that the board of directors aren't really computer literate themselves, not really convinced a website is necessary and probably don't want to pay lots of money for it, but are dictating certain aspects of its design.
Bill there's no reason at all that a small organisation can't have a website which rivals large multi-nationals websites in appeal, usability and usefullness, no reason at all that you can't give them a website that exceeds these other websites. Your members might not be very internet savvy right now, but are they interested in attracting new members? Chances are they'll be surfing the net doing their banking, looking uup something else on some glitzy site and then think "why don't i take a look at that Cortland Moose Lodge site that Bill's always talking about." They go from those glitzy sites to your site and immediately if only subconsiously notice the difference in standard and there's no need for that to be tthe case.
So two things:
1. There's no reason they can't have a great site even if they mmay only think they need the site for advising members of latest events.
2. A good website here could increase your chances of more work through your members and also those from other lodges. Don't ever underestimate your viewers or assume what their needs are.
Take a look at the Moose haven site and the Ohio Moose site in your links. From a quick glance they give me an impression of a more organised organisation if only because their sites have information grouped in and not scattered all over the screen. My first advice to you is to drop the background, drop any music (I use Firefox, thankfully the music didn't load), and bring all the content closer together. Use verdana or arial fonts too.
Hope that helps a bit.
Nicole
Edit: With the scrolling text - tell them you're working on the site and that you'll work it into the overall design when get the overall layout worked out. Put that info from the scrolling marquee somewhere else prominently and then just over time "forget" to put it in. I doubt any of the board of directors is going to make a fool of himself jumping up and down ranting "where's my scrolling text" when he can see how good the finished product really looks.
< Message edited by Nicole -- 3/18/2006 18:37:12 >
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/18/2006 21:11:31
thanks again i would like to get in to site design and get other members to use me for there web site.. thats why i got a whopping 0 dollars for it.... i am going to be working on cleaning up the front page of the site..... sad part is i hear all the time i love the front page and music ... trust me i personaly hate music on a site.... i will be cleaning it up... is dreamweaver much harder then front page to use ..... thanks again
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/19/2006 4:40:08
<biased class="opinion"> dreamweaver is easier and better then frontpage to use</bias> but what you need to do is just get to know your html well and delve into css, at least for some of the more basic formatting like fonts and links: there are good tutorials on this site (very top of the forum page http://www.outfront.net/frontpagetechniques.htm ) and at the word wide web consortium's pages (W3C) http://www.w3schools.com/
btw you mentioned that your users may not be computer savvy enough to know that an underlined word means it's a link but it's one of the major premises of the web that links are underlined (or if the audience is more spohisticated then maybe only a different colour). changing this is like trying to change the whole way the web works, and if they surd any other sites at all they will soon learn to click on the underlined things!
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/19/2006 17:24:46
Hi Nicole (the one with the beautiful name)
I agree on your opinion. I, too, would like to be a member of a club that offers so much potential business!
Assuming Bill wishes to pursue web design, I would also strongly suggest for him to create something with a little more "pizzazz".
Now, as Dan (hello Dan) says, if he is just "helping out" we'll have to hear it from him.
My experience with guys who are just "helping out" is that as soon as members of his club realize what a strong tool a website is, they will hire someone to design a more professional site. Bill, take note!
Cheers
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/19/2006 20:49:03
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OK Let me have it first site i did it is for a private club and they wanted the scroller
Just one very quick reaction: I always like the home page to be entirely within the width of my screen. You have a column of details on the left, and then you have to scroll to the right to get the main text on screen. I think it would be better to narrow the main text so that it and the left column together only take up one screen width. Also, along the same lines, I think the standard look of having the banner extend the full width of the home page is better than having a margin column that the banner doesn't cover.
But that's just my opinion.
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/21/2006 10:04:10
how do i get the page width cut down with the nav bar on the left i cant figure out how to cut it down
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/21/2006 19:18:31
Get rid of the jigsaw or find some way to resize it as looks to wide and maybe that causeing the problems on your home page and on your MOOSE RIDERS page the jigsaw again and make two rows of five of the ten thumbnail images you have there .
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/26/2006 2:00:58
Front page has to much unstructured information.
What is java puzzle doing there? Should it really be on the front page?
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/26/2006 9:56:14
I'm with the concensus that it needs to be more efficiently organized.
Also, just wondering where this place is if I wanted to send them something via the mail. I looked on just about every page and couldn't find a city/state/ street address. Is this by design?
If you have any graphic skills, it might be nice to create a nice logo for the lodge and use that throughout the site to bring some continuity to the whole moose theme.
Good luck with your continuing development.
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/27/2006 10:34:00
Here's a version I did, just for kicks.
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/27/2006 15:01:14
WOW... i wish i could throw a site together like that .... i haven't got into the whole image thing yet still trying to get the web building part down.... where did you get the header from or what program do you use to make it... the address is left out do to state laws prohibiting use from solication members to join the moose you have to be invited in and sponsored by a member
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/27/2006 16:33:27
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WOW... i wish i could throw a site together like that .... i haven't got into the whole image thing yet still trying to get the web building part down.... where did you get the header from or what program do you use to make it... the address is left out do to state laws prohibiting use from solication members to join the moose you have to be invited in and sponsored by a member
I made those images in Corel Draw. It's 760x150, so you probably have to go with a web design where your stuck with that width perspective as opposed to going with a % width. I do half of my sites in a fixed width and half in a % width perspective. Feel free to right click and save it if you'd like. The banner is 26K, which isn't real bad in today's high speed world.
Also do the same for the logo/image thing I made up. Today is a wasted Monday, just playing around with whatver moves me.
Good explanation on the address thing.
Keep at it.
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/27/2006 18:53:06
It was your mock up. You should get Firefox to check how your work looks in other standards compliant browsers, then fix for IE.
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/27/2006 19:15:10
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It was your mock up. You should get Firefox to check how your work looks in other standards compliant browsers, then fix for IE.
caz,
Thanks for giving me the impetus to get Firefox and check my sites in it. However, I'm confused what you mean by "no header". I'm looking at the mock up in Firefox right now and it seems fine.
Could you expand on what you see as wrong with it?
Thanks
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/29/2006 9:43:14
Bueller......Bueller.....Bueller
Anybody......anybody?
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 3/29/2006 9:51:33
Ferris?
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RE: Ok Let me have It - 4/1/2006 1:57:46
I'd buy a template. You don't have to spend a lot of money either. Fifty to eighty bucks buys or so.
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