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Kitka
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RE: Add this page to the navigation structure to displa... - 3/23/2006 21:07:49
It sounds like you have somehow lost the Navigation stucture.
You could try copying and pasting the file Spooky mentions in the following thread, from your backup copy that has the shared borders and structure working, to the one which doesn't.
It might help. But backup the old file before you do - in case doing that makes things worse and you need to restore it.
http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/m-317206/tm.htm#317206
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RE: Add this page to the navigation structure to displa... - 3/23/2006 22:44:46
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After it's ready, I copy and paste it from the C: into the internet directory.
Chris, I think that might be your problem. Your site has things on it that need to use the FrontPage wizzbang stuff like 'Publish'. Are you only keeping the one copy of your site on the web server, or is there another somewhere else? If only the one copy:
Open Frontpage.
Go to >File > Recent Sites.
Can you see anything there that looks like your web? If not, try > File > Open Site > My Network Places > click on www.accesscomms.com.au or whatever to open it.
Go to >Tools >Recalculate Hyperlinks and run it.
That may help.
If you are keeping a copy off the webserver, open that and recalculate hyperlinks.
When in folder view, down the bottom of the screen you should see 'Remote Web site', go there and with a bit of luck the connection to your webserver may already be set (you may have to use the chief geeks computer to see this).
Try a search here for 'missing theme' or 'missing navigation' and you will find heaps of posts regarding this issue.
I've never actually used FP Themes or Navigation but have been caught out copying a form into the webserver rather than publishing - took me days to realise why it was not working.
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RE: Add this page to the navigation structure to displa... - 3/23/2006 23:47:46
Hi Kitka and Rubyaim,
Kitka: Sure enough, as Spooky said in the thread you linked the "Structure.cnf" in the _vti_pvt folder was missing. I’ve copied it over. But still no cookie.
Rubyaim: Funny thing though, the copy paste method was the one I was shown here, and it always worked in the past??? But I do kind of understand how going Publish would make more sense (kindof)
but I don’t have a notion of how it's done.
I recalculated all the hyperlinks, all the banners are still missing. All the links work though!!! Happy Happy 
I'm going to search the site for "missing theme" and "missing navigation" now 
Just on the offchance this may help diagnosis, I did a view source from a pc with an unrefreshed cache of the site.
This is what I get:
Cache excerpt from when the website was healthy
<html>
<head>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<title>Access Communications Pty Ltd - Telephone, data and computer communications line
cords, plugs, sockets, adaptors, power supplies and accessories for the Australian and
international markets.</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Theme" content="none">
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="tb, default">
</head>
<body><!--msnavigation--><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr><td>
<p align="left"><img border="0" src="images/t1%20(2).gif" width="734" height="30"><br>
<a href="corporate.htm">
<img border="0" src="images/corporate_button%20(2).gif" width="98" height="24"></a><a href="PRODUCTS.HTM"><img border="0" src="images/products_button%20(2).gif" width="80" height="24"></a><a href="reference.htm"><img border="0" src="images/reference_button%20(2).gif" width="88" height="24"></a><a href="CONTACT.HTM"><img border="0" src="images/contact_button%20(2).gif" width="98" height="24"></a><img border="0" src="images/t2%20(2).gif" width="370" height="24"><br>
<a href="default.htm">
<img border="0" src="images/home_button%20(2).gif" width="98" height="28"></a><a href="SITEMAP.HTM"><img border="0" src="images/site_button%20(2).gif" width="88" height="28"></a><img border="0" src="images/t3%20(2).gif" width="548" height="28"></p>
</td></tr><!--msnavigation--></table><!--msnavigation--><table dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr><!--msnavigation--><td valign="top">
<p> </p>
Cache excerpt from how the page is now:
<html>
<head>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<title>Access Communications Pty Ltd - Telephone, data and computer communications line
cords, plugs, sockets, adaptors, power supplies and accessories for the Australian and
international markets.</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Theme" content="none">
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="tb, default">
</head>
<body><!--msnavigation--><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr><td>
<p align="center"><br>
</p>
<p align="center"> </p>
</td></tr><!--msnavigation--></table><!--msnavigation--><table dir="ltr" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tr><!--msnavigation--><td valign="top">
<p> </p>
They’re the same up to the point <p align=…..then they diverge drastically.
F rom the point I’ve cut them both off they reconverge to sameness again.
I’ve just included it here in case it helps ???
The chief is back on Monday (hallelujah!).
From what I can see now, although the banners are down, all the actual site content is up and links on the left all still work. This means customers can still navigate the site and find the things they need. It’s just not so aesthetically pleasing as it was with the navigation banners. 
I’m still hoping to fix it before his return by following any instructions you guys give me, but if I’m too clueless to help you help me, and it doesn’t happen before 6pm (2.5 hours time) no huge harm, the site is now functional for the weekend. (I’m more the cad/photoshop/illustrator geek round these parts, so he’ll understand my incompetence with FP… )
Whether I fix or no, I think he’ll be pretty happy I found your forum. 
He spends a lot of spare time researching all the products we use in search of bettering the site.
Thank you so much for helping, even if I’m not so capable of applying the help, I do really appreciate your time, and maybe, just maybe what you’re saying will dawn upon me with some clarity before the day is done, and all will be well. I'm game to keep trying if you are. 
Peace, have the best afternoon and weekend.
Chris
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Kitka
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RE: Add this page to the navigation structure to displa... - 3/24/2006 0:06:39
If I'm reading it correctly, that code should be resident in the top shared border, not on a page.
In the live site go to the folder called _borders and open the file called top.htm
If it is empty, you'll need to restore a copy of that from your backup copy of the site.
NB. The _borders folder is usually hidden by default, so you might need to change the FP setting to show hidden files/folders.
Good luck.
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Kitka
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RE: Add this page to the navigation structure to displa... - 3/24/2006 1:01:26
Did you recalculate the hyperlinks as Sally suggested? Especially on the live site.
Menu bar >> Tools >> Recalculate Hyperlinks
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rubyaim
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RE: Add this page to the navigation structure to displa... - 3/24/2006 1:03:20
Kitka beat me too it.
Also wondering if you put the border files back into the folder on the webserver?
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