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yb2

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RE: MS New "FrontPage" and More - 4/23/2006 14:51:08

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would not the attached stylesheet have to have knowledge of that particular page's tags

not necessarily, but probably. It's likely that you'd have some idea what data you'd work with, but even if not then XSL could deal with it better than CSS. Imagine using CSS with some random HTML - I have a hard enough time with HTML I've written myself!

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Would CSS accompanying a properly served (application/xml) XHTML document be more separate?

Technically yes, but why anyone would want to do that for a website when you've already got an XHTML spec in place is a mystery to me???? In practice, I think CSS would be used on XML when you wanted to study the XML without getting bothered by markup. If you're designing a website, then I think you'd use XSLT to transform the XML into XHTML and then apply CSS to the XHTML.

Technically I'm not sure whether XHTML counts as data or presentation, since it has elements of both. It's supposed to be a subset of XML, but it has so much structure and presentation in it that in practice I think it counts more as presentation. So if you use CSS then really you're only seperating out repetitive presentation from presentation, making it easier to manage.

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Tailslide Posts: 6290 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: MS New "FrontPage" and More - 4/23/2006 15:59:36 quote: ORIGINAL: yb2So if you use CSS then really you're only seperating out repetitive presentation from presentation, making it easier to manage. Fine by me! I've been messing with serving a mirror of my site properly (application/xml rather than text/html) and it works fine apart from a little hitch with the stylesheet switcher which I haven't had time to work out yet. So you never know, in the near future I could be on here sounding EVEN MORE smug than usual . _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to yb2)


yb2 Posts: 653 Joined: 1/30/2006 Status: offline	RE: MS New "FrontPage" and More - 4/23/2006 16:49:45 quote: in the near future I could be on here sounding EVEN MORE smug than usual it's an underrated skill _____________________________ it is natural for people not to see one's own faults, and to exaggerate other people's faults and failings. Currently listening to: L'Enfer Des Formes by Stereolab (in reply to Tailslide)


Mango Himself Posts: 1904 Joined: 11/28/2005 Status: offline	RE: MS New "FrontPage" and More - 4/23/2006 17:52:19 This is starting to sound like the Counsil of Trento where high priests spent weeks pondering on the sex of angels! Firefox? IE? whatevers suits your needs! (in reply to yb2)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: MS New "FrontPage" and More - 4/24/2006 6:17:49 quote: I suppose so, but the website's not really for you it's for those who visit so why not give them what they want? I thought that's what we're trying to do. Those visitors however have a wide range of abilities and disabilities. IE has a nasty habit of catering to those who are fully able bodied and ignoring the rest. Now before I get slammed, let me just give a Big Up (see I even try and keep up with modern slang) to Microsoft. If it wasn't for them I'd still be running around in a room the size of a warehouse, feeding punched cards and paper tape into readers and trying to load enormous disk platters into the drives. They have done a huge amount to make computers usable for the average Joe and we wouldn't be sitting around arguing this if it wasn't for them but...... they try, and I'm not blaming them, from a business point of view it makes sense, to take over the world by using something that ties you in to them and prevents competition. Look back to the browser wars part one and what MS did to Netscape. They deliberately took IE off down a different path and to a certain extent it's backfired on them. Fact is, that even MS themselves have admitted that they are wrong and are now trying to provide a compliant browser and web developer software that generates compliant code. Good on them but it's about time. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Ryokotsusai)


360texas Posts: 13 Joined: 6/10/2004 Status: offline	RE: MS New "FrontPage" and More - 5/11/2006 13:27:31 I too have been wondering about what will happen to the future of FP 2003. So I went looking and came across Expressions, webdesigner, graphic and interactive - release date early 2007. MS advertisments say they are taking the best features from FP 2003. That leads me to my question - do you think there will be a "Bridge fuction" to transform existing FP websites over to Expression webdesigner ? As our site grows each year (now 435mb, 436 folders, 7,878 files) site management and maintenace issues are important. I have particular interest in FP 2003 site navigation tree and web site menues. Like Import old site \| convert \| export all NEW site ? Dave < Message edited by BobbyDouglas -- 5/11/2006 14:14:54 > (in reply to jaybee)

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