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Tailslide -> Apple lets XP run on macs (4/5/2006 12:01:09)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4880022.stm




Donkey -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/5/2006 12:35:40)

So now there's no difference what's the point in a Mac?



Tailslide -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/5/2006 12:41:19)

'cos it's cooool maaan! [8D]

I think their plan was to entice PC users (mainly the ipod generation) over to macs with the promise that they can use XP if they want. I suppose it might work but it looks like a bit of a risk to me.

I would still like them to release a PC version of OSX - just because it's really lovely! I'd buy it in a second.



spitfire -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/5/2006 12:41:33)

A PC doesn't carry the Mac OSx (yet?). edit: in answer to Donkey's point
I am taken with the idea as I need a Mac for some business purposes. I haven't bought one yet because I really don't want to have to swivel my chair between boxes - that just bruises my knees.[:@]



Tailslide -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/5/2006 12:47:43)

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ORIGINAL: spitfire I haven't bought one yet because I really don't want to have to swivel my chair between boxes - that just bruises my knees.[:@]


You should probably unpack them then - they work better out of the boxes... [8|]



spitfire -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/5/2006 12:51:41)


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ORIGINAL: Tailslide
You should probably unpack them then - they work better out of the boxes... [8|]

That'll be the problem with IE then. But I want to keep it in its original box - greatly enhances its antique value [:D]



Mango Himself -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/5/2006 23:38:28)

Allow me to elaborate:

Let's consider Mac is Israel. M$ are the arab countries seeking its anihilation.

Israel has put up a fight for a long time. They feel if Arabs are taught a little democracy and freedom they will give up their resolution to eliminate Israel off the World map. Israel has tried to export its economic and political model in order to change some radical minds into believing that a pacific coexistance is viable.

So now, what does Israel do? It legalizes Arab rules and laws in its own territory?!?!?!?!

It should be the other way around: Mac ought to make its OS available to PC users and make some converts!!!

Remember: this is not political. It's just an analogy. I personally dislike Mac although I own one (or maybe because of it)

Mac: first it moves to Intel. Then it allows XP. What's next?

Mac users ought to realize that Macs aren't really superior to PCs. They had better resolution than PCs for a while but now they're all pretty much the same. The only reason Mac exists is for M$ to continue operating without being labeled a monopoly. Mac's biggest supporter is M$. Jobs announced that Apple will no longer develop Mac any further than it has. He wants to concentrate on iPod.

I feel Mac is crying "uncle"



Mango Himself -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 0:33:13)

Helena,

congratulations on the new look of your site! It is absolutely exquisite!!!



bobby -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 2:20:24)

First off, Apple doesn't allow anything... they want their hardware to remain proprietary at all costs... problem is that there are tons of people out there who want to make it work and Windows is designed to load and run on just about anything (not that it runs well all the time, but it usually works)

Second, Mac OS-X is by far the most user friendly and stable OS available to the public to date.

Don't believe me? You'll have to try it...

[;)]



Tailslide -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 3:21:15)

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ORIGINAL: Mango Himself

Helena,

congratulations on the new look of your site! It is absolutely exquisite!!!


Thank you! I've put a fair amount of effort into it so it's nice to get positive feedback!

I'm frankly not technical enough to know if the mac hardware is in any way superior or inferior to PC hardware (although it's usually prettier!). I do know that the OS is really lovely (Tiger - that's the OS not me calling you... never mind). I last used a Mac in 1996 and couldn't get on with it so I was a bit wary of buying another one last year (under the excuse of needing it for testing) but I have to say that I'm a convert.

It was incredibly easy to set up and connected up to my pc network in about three seconds! The OS itself is very nice to use and not difficult for a windows user to get used to at all.

I'd buy OSx for the PC if it were released - it's genuinely nice to use.



Mango Himself -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 12:45:02)

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(Tiger - that's the OS not me calling you... never mind).


One can only hope! LOL


Thanks for your input. I love Macs but got fed up with the expense. I own several and they are so expensive in every little detail. Also, I've found a lot of software is not easily available for Mac.

I am being quite realist when I feel the end is close for Mac. Especially after Jobs declared that Apple will focus its R&D efforts on iPod and will no longer pursue a profitable computer . As a former Intel and Apple employee, I see the signs from a different perspective. At Intel we used to say "the easiest way to pave the road for Gates in Apple is through its processor".

Mac processors made it very difficult for XP emulators to interject an operational OS. The new Intel processors for Mac have several glitches that allow an easier conversion.



rdouglass -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 13:50:55)

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I am being quite realist when I feel the end is close for Mac.


Sounds like dejavu all over again. [;)] I've heard that one about every 3 or 4 years for the past 20 years. Never underestimate the power of 'Mac-vangelism". [:D]



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 16:20:21)

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Mac users ought to realize that Macs aren't really superior to PCs.

- Really? The mac OS is a lot more user friendly, that doesn't mean I would ever buy one, but I know many people who would be better off on a mac than a pc.

The #1 reason Macs will never die: http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/

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Mac's biggest supporter is M$. Jobs announced that Apple will no longer develop Mac any further than it has.

- What?!?!? You're saying Microsoft is supporting Mac? Where are you getting this information at?

Other than "Mac: first it moves to Intel. Then it allows XP. What's next?" do you have any references to backup anything you said in your post?



Mango Himself -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 18:02:24)

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Other than "Mac: first it moves to Intel. Then it allows XP. What's next?" do you have any references to backup anything you said in your post?
As much as the next guy or gal. My opinion may differ from other people's. I respect everyone's opinion.

It'll be interesting to see what Apple has to say about XP running on their hardware. Anyone
read any comment from Apple about it?



bobby -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 18:54:21)

They won't be able to say much...

I don't think they'll care. All it means is that somebody bought their hardware, money in their pocket. If they chose to install over OSX then so be it.

I doubt we'll see too many garden variety PC's running OSX tho... that would take some insane hacking.

I've read one confirmed report online of a PC running OSX without an emulator. But it barely worked and took the kid months to get to that point.

[8|]



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 22:45:49)

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As much as the next guy or gal. My opinion may differ from other people's. I respect everyone's opinion.

- My mistake, your post made it seem like you were stating facts about Macs, and not just a personal opinion. That's why I wondered where you got the information at, because I wanted to read about it. Everything I have read/heard has been the complete opposite. You should really read some articles about the Mac vs PC dillema.

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Anyone read any comment from Apple about it?

- Apple gets more publicity, sells more hardware, and brings in more profit... I would assume they will be happy about it. I'm not sure how these Intel CPUs are going to compare to those in the G5 series, thus not sure how much of an advantage someone will see by installing XP on a Mac.



Mango Himself -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/6/2006 23:30:29)

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You should really read some articles about the Mac vs PC dillema.


Thanks for the suggestion. After having worked at Apple for 14 years and then at Intel for the past 3, I am pretty much tired of reading about which computer is best.

I am only interested in seeing how XP performs on Mac and what the repercusions will be.

After all, I am not interested in seeing Mac go down. I have too much stock from Apple



bobby -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/7/2006 15:33:28)

You aren't going to see any huge performance gains in XP on a Mac. Slight difference maybe, but nothing major.

The reason Macs run the way they do is the OS is optimized for the specific hardware... Windows is designed to be as generic as possible.

Now if you could figure out how to compile XP on Mac hardware (or any hardware for that matter) you would probably see significant gains (especially on 64 bit, dual core systems)



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/7/2006 16:39:44)

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The reason Macs run the way they do is the OS is optimized for the specific hardware...

- And just to add, so is the majority of the software available, that's why normal XP PCs have no chance compared to Macs. It is like putting a shack next to a million dollar house.



bobby -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/7/2006 18:21:17)

Here you go:

http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/04/apple-imac-windows-benchmarks-revealed.html




Mango Himself -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/7/2006 18:29:42)

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Now if you could figure out how to compile XP on Mac hardware (or any hardware for that matter) you would probably see significant gains (especially on 64 bit, dual core systems)


you hit it right on the nail!

BTW, that blog you linked, very interesting!



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/8/2006 2:24:27)

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ORIGINAL: bobby

Here you go:

http://voodoopc.blogspot.com/2006/04/apple-imac-windows-benchmarks-revealed.html


- The only problem with this is that there is no Mac to compare it to, thus no way to tell how much better/worse XP is on a mac, than OSX.



Taz -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/8/2006 8:50:36)

After seeing Apples latest advert slagging off PC's, they can shove it where the sun don't shine.
(I'll give them boring little boxes right up the wazzoo!)

Macs ain't all that, so this is just hysterical.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6415770050655464328&q=Apple+intel



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/8/2006 17:55:44)

lol! I love the blue screen at the end. That ad is really going to sell.



Taz -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/8/2006 18:36:30)

I hear more often that Macs are the crash prone set up & can honestly say my System crashes once in a Blue moon and then and only then if it is a leap year and the pigs are flying south for the winter.

Macs, overrated, overpriced and very much an "Emporers new clothes" salespitch.



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/9/2006 4:15:47)

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Macs, overrated, overpriced and very much an "Emporers new clothes" salespitch.

- Macs still offer something that XP on a PC can't touch, speed. Find me a PC that can beat a Mac G5 (performance wise), for less than the G5 price.



Taz -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/9/2006 9:42:28)

Whats a G5 cost...



Taz -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/9/2006 9:48:30)

Apple Power Mac G5 Quad 2.5GHz

Memory Upgrades: Total 2GB 533 DDR2 Non-ECC SDRAM; Hard Disk Upgrades: Keep Standard 250GB SATA Hard Disk; Additional Hard Disk Options: Additional 160GB SATA HD **Special Offer**; Pro Audio Interface Options: No additional audio interface; Graphics Support: NVIDIA GeForce 6600 256MB SDRAM; Pro Video Capture Cards: No Video Capture Card; Display: No Display; Second Display: No Second Display

£2183.99 (excl. VAT)
£2566.19 (incl. VAT)

I'm sure if I had the cash for parts I would certainly entertain the idea of giving it a run for the money... Cos dude, that is a lot of cash for the hardware, and the price lists is far more expensive to buy for the Mac than it is for the PC.

Performance to me also means it doesn't crash, mine doesn't & It's current price tag is still a grand under what that rig above costs.. :D



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/10/2006 18:26:00)

There are benchmarks available online, no reason to try it yourself. The ones I found that compare to the standard G5 (the ones that come close), are about an extra $1000-$3500 over the G5. All of the benchmarks use actual server boards too lol- not the typical "desktop". If you are looking at prices, be sure to compare retail to retail. You can't buy the hardware, put together the system, and compare that to a Mac and say "PC is better for the price" since the Mac is from a retail location.

Even if you do happen to find a computer that offers better performance than the G5, you still won't be able to find software for XP on a PC that is as good as things like Final Cut Pro. I've asked some anti-mac friends of mine to find me benchmarks that prove the entire PC vs Mac deal, I am yet to hear back from anyone with an answer- I even converted one over to the Mac world, oops. [:'(]

Every professional video/media company, uses Macs to save time. It could take 30 minutes to encode something that would take 2 hours on a PC.

"Performance to me also means it doesn't crash, mine doesn't & It's current price tag is still a grand under what that rig above costs.. :D "
- XP doesn't crash? LOL



Taz -> RE: Apple lets XP run on macs (4/10/2006 21:23:03)

I'm not saying it doesn't crash, but when it does it is recoverable to a stage where a save and reboot can be manually carried out, I can count the number of BSOD's in say the last 12 months on one hand probably and those were always due to Media (Such as a DVD/CD or Avi/jpeg/mppeg type codec screw up.

I've been impressed with my legit copy of XP's performance, but it has had a good base system and good handling bya careful user and owner.

As things go, Apple still merchandise the fact they are a Custom hand built or have that appearance and are the Ferrari or high class Marque in the market and the PC is some low underdog pretender.

I think most experts lead to the fact it's a non race event anyhoo as the two systems are so different in man ways, that said even that is changing now what with Intel Inside Branded Macs....

As a sport or hobby money pot it still would be worth a giggle to take up the challenge of a pure bred, off the street one of custom rig to take on a Mac, even with some daft Custom Hacked version of XP running as an OS. muahahahaha I just wish I had the cash for such play persuits & whims to do it just to see if it could be done. =/



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