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Nicole
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Title Attribute - 4/26/2006 3:25:25
As an alternative to the tooltips I was using on a site which weren't working in Opera and were also causing some horizontal scrolling in all browsers, I've decided to go with using the title attribute of a span with a class, then styling how that appears when moused over.
Can anyone tell me though (now that I don't have FoxyVoice anymore), whether a screen reader will read this title text mid sentence and therefore present the listener with a really stupid sentence?
Example of Code:
<p class="content">The type of cataract you have will affect exactly which symptoms you experience and how soon they
will occur. When a
<span class="tooltip" title="A cataract involving only the inner dense portion of the lens.">nuclear cataract</span>
first develops it can bring about a temporary improvement in your near vision, called "second sight."
Unfortunately, the improved vision is short-lived and will disappear as the cataract worsens. Conversely, a
<span class="tooltip" title="A cataract in which the opacities are concentrated beneath or within the capsule of the lens.">
subcapsular cataract</span> may not produce any symptoms until it is well-developed.</p>
Also, now that FoxyVoice isn't compatible with Firefox, what are you guys using to test things like this?
Nicole
Edit: In the example above, when the words "nuclear cataract" and "subcapsular cataract" are moused over, a tooltip appears giving the definition.
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RE: Title Attribute - 4/26/2006 3:29:55
I think it depends how you set the screenreader up. Far as I know (and I could be wrong) many screenreaders don't read title text by default. But assuming that the user has set it up to do that, then I'd say yes it will read it mid-sentence.
I'd personally just stick all the information into the normal text.
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RE: Title Attribute - 4/26/2006 6:50:59
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ORIGINAL: Nicole
I just want to make very sure that it can't be done before even entertaining the idea of dumping the whole idea.
Completely understand.
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RE: Title Attribute - 4/26/2006 7:08:45
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lso, now that FoxyVoice isn't compatible with Firefox, what are you guys using to test things like this?
I have used Opera Voice, but it is fairly painful to set up and you have to give it voice commands to operate. Not quite as easy to use as dear old FoxyVoice but better than nothing and it's free.
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RE: Title Attribute - 4/26/2006 14:03:39
Dave who?
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RE: Title Attribute - 4/27/2006 7:45:32
There is a way to get <abbr> to work, well mostly... it needs a bit of JS fed to IE 6 and earlier so - it won't work in the 10% of IE 6 users who don't have JS switched on but it will work for the other 90% of IE users and obviously for all of us lot using GOOD browsers!
IE7 does apparently recognise <abbr>.
Interested at all?
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I'll have a rethink. There has to be a way round this using css pop-ups and :visible.
It's making up for IE not recognising the semantic, correct tag. It's one of those annoying things - either you add more mark-up (i.e. spans) which either duplicate the title or stand in for the <abbr> text or you use acronym for a purpose for which it wasn't designed. I'd rather have the semantic mark-up (just <abrr>) and add a JS enhancement for IE6 and under.
