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jaybee Posts: 14442 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	CSS Hacks/Tweaks - IE7 issues - 4/26/2006 6:53:26 Please ensure your post header is a description of the tweak such as Box Model Hack problem rather than, Thought you might find this useful. Please state the issue, the cause if possible and the solution. Please post questions on CSS usage in the main forum. < Message edited by jaybee -- 4/26/2006 7:13:02 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype?


womble Posts: 6283 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 10:58:41 Alternatives for the *html hack CSS hacks for the CSS that won't work in IE7 ...if you really can't live without your CSS hacks _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to Tailslide)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 12:22:04 quote: ORIGINAL: womble Alternatives for the *html hack CSS hacks for the CSS that won't work in IE7 You can develope a page without "hacks" by using Ie conditionals statments which IE is always going to support because it is from MS. And if you do your css sheets correctly and do use hacks, they will be easy to remove. Section your css sheets with comments, put your hacks in a commented section so that if they do become obsolet, it will be easy to remove them. ...if you really can't live without your CSS hacks _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to womble)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 13:13:57 Ultimate hack: * html { display: none; } Problem solved _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 13:51:21 quote: ORIGINAL: Tailslide Ultimate hack: * html { display: none; } Problem solved Now for those who don't understand the rule, you need to describe what the rule does. In case anyone would like to know what this rule is here are a few links for you to read up on this: http://www.positioniseverything.net/articles/poll/star-html.php http://www.info.com.ph/~etan/w3pantheon/style/starhtmlbug.html http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=StarHtmlHack very interesting article: http://www.molly.com/2005/12/22/star-html-and-microsoft-ie7/ http://www.communitymx.com/content/article.cfm?page=2&cid=C37E0 If you wish more information on this, it is called the Star html hack, if you do a google search on this it will bring up many interesting articles, and applications to show how the rule works. < Message edited by c1sissy -- 4/29/2006 15:14:11 > _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 13:53:07 naah - it'll spoil the suprise! _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to c1sissy)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 14:12:45 So it took me about half an hour to run into an issue with IE7. The zoom facility doesn't appear to zoom background images which are placed on the body element while it does zoom other background images. This can lead to an ugly mismatch. I'd be delighted if someone could let me know the solution to this or what I'm missing. The only solution I can come up with is to add a wrapper div with the background image from the body element on it. I really don't want to be adding extra markup for this though. Thumbnail Image Attachment (1) _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to Tailslide)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 15:19:06 Not sure if these two links will help but: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/samples/author/dhtml/refs/zoom.htm And here, this one starts at the last page, but you could msot likely read the whole four pages: http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/5387-4-10.htm http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum83/8299.htm Hope some of these help you or lead you to soemthing that you can search with again. I'm not too familiar with this, I had information on this on a file somewhere, but forget where it is. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 15:29:23 Unfortunately not - I read on a MS developer blog that they were trying to fix some issues with the zoom facility (it's not as good as Opera's) but that they were too late to be implemented with IE7 - so that'll probably be a 5 year wait then! If I figure out a solution or come across one elsewhere I'll post it. _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to c1sissy)


jaybee Posts: 14442 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 16:06:16 There are a load of comments about IE7 changes and glitches here. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Tailslide)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 16:07:46 good find Jaybee, I had that once but could not find it. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14442 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 16:11:45 Escaping floats bug isn't fixed. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 16:16:27 quote: ORIGINAL: jaybee Escaping floats bug isn't fixed. what do you mean? In IE7? _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to jaybee)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 16:24:32 quote: ORIGINAL: jaybee There are a load of comments about IE7 changes and glitches here. Thanks Jaybee - I've been through that this afternoon on my Google-trek trying to find out if anyone else has seen the IE7 image zoom/no-zoom thing. Can you tell me - if IE were going to do the whole page zoom thing, why didn't they do it like Opera? That's a beautiful thing - IE7's version is a bit rough in comparison. _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14442 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 16:37:21 Opera would probably sue for breach of copyright. I think IE7 is a stopgap and they've been trying out stuff that will go into IE8 to see what people make of it. They're putting together a bug list reporting feature thing somewhere. Oh and apparently the float issue isn't fixed. Greenbeastie has also got a checklist thing, and a badge. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/29/2006 16:46:45 Ah I forgot about Mike - I'll go pester him about it too! _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to jaybee)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/30/2006 8:30:27 After spending about half an hour fighting my way through various fiendish barriers I finally managed to get onto the M$ IE7 bug reporting page. This issue was recently reported there (damn that means they can't name it after me!) so I added my comments to the original reporter's and we'll see... _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to Tailslide)


jaybee Posts: 14442 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 4/30/2006 9:45:34 quote: ORIGINAL: Tailslide After spending about half an hour fighting my way through various fiendish barriers Such as you can only get in there using IE7. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/4/2006 3:05:43 Although we haven't seen the full release version so far, there are apparently 2 confirmed new "issues" with IE7 (a box model problem for god's sake, and an overflow issue) plus one retained from IE6 - a z-index AP/RP problem. It might be useful to make a note of this article just in case these issues are not resolved and you find the need to issue IE7 hacks (obviously with all the usual reminders about hacks being problematical in themselves). It might be useful if you have a specific IE stylesheet to be able to feed IE7 it's own rules within that stylesheet. http://www.brothercake.com/site/resources/reference/xxx/ _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14442 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/4/2006 5:58:43 And is this the same box model problem or another one? I have one big problem with all of this, how the heck do we get IE6 and IE7 running side-by-side so we can test this lot? _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/4/2006 6:12:22 It's a new BM issue. If you have an absolutely positioned box with borders or padding and a width then IE7 behaves as if in quirks mode. I haven't tried it but I've seen several articles about running a standalone IE6 next to the "normal" installation of IE7. Looks like Browsercam's in for a bit of a boom! _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to jaybee)


womble Posts: 6283 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/4/2006 8:11:40 I've got IE6 on the PC and IE7 on the laptop. ...of course that solution only works if you've got a laptop as well... _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to Tailslide)


rdouglass Posts: 9280 From: Biddeford, ME USA Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/4/2006 10:05:44 quote: I haven't tried it but I've seen several articles about running a standalone IE6 next to the "normal" installation of IE7. Would be interested in any links you have on that for sure. _____________________________ Don't take you're eye off your final destination. ASP Checkbox Function Tutorial. (in reply to Tailslide)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/4/2006 10:20:33 Now, I have the "beta' myself, but you all know what happened last time I installed a beta, sort of blew things up for me, Anyone think I should install? Or leave things be? _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to rdouglass)


Tailslide Posts: 6758 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/4/2006 11:16:15 If it's your one installation - then I'd leave it until the actual release. Roger - can't find any links now I'm looking for them (of course!) I'll keep an eye open and come back with any I see. _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to c1sissy)


jaybee Posts: 14442 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/4/2006 11:24:45 quote: ORIGINAL: c1sissy Now, I have the "beta' myself, but you all know what happened last time I installed a beta, sort of blew things up for me, Anyone think I should install? Or leave things be? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Don't do it Debs. Remember the last time. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/4/2006 11:33:06 quote: ORIGINAL: jaybee quote: ORIGINAL: c1sissy Now, I have the "beta' myself, but you all know what happened last time I installed a beta, sort of blew things up for me, Anyone think I should install? Or leave things be? NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Don't do it Debs. Remember the last time. roflmbo! I knew that only someone familiar with it would give the proper answer! LOL _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14442 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/15/2006 19:27:46 I'm getting more and more worried about IE7 and css. Take a look at the following blog from the developer. http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2005/09/02/460115.aspx _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to c1sissy)


c1sissy Posts: 5094 Joined: 7/20/2002 From: NJ Status: offline	RE: CSS Hacks and Tweaks - 5/16/2006 11:25:51 I heard all along that IE7 wasn't going to be as good as it was being said to be. _____________________________ Deb-aka-c4Ksissy high panjandurum and alpha female of the silverback tribe As decreed by Jesper 5-24-2003. The only stupid question is... the one that is never asked!! http://cssinfo.debsplace.org http://positioniseverything.net/ http://www.tanfa.co.uk/ (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14442 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	Running IE6 and IE7 together - 5/16/2006 17:51:41 I haven't tried this so don't shoot me if it all goes badly wrong. Debs NO! Back away from the keyboard. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to c1sissy)