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curious monkey -> noobie's first site (4/28/2006 9:18:50)

hello outfront.
this is my first site and I have a couple of problems with it. The load time is very very slow and it only works in IE. check it out and let me know what you think.


helpfl if I gave the link. [:)] www.treationsinc.com



Mike54 -> RE: noobie's first site (4/28/2006 10:11:28)

Welcome to Outfront curious monkey.

Your site kind of works in FF but the load time is dreadful, in particular on your gallery pages. The reason for that is that you haven't optimized the image sizes (your using full size images) and they're in the 1 -3 meg size range.[:o] It's hard to catch with the larger image gone at mouse out but following the image source back from your code isn't to hard[;)]. For example your "rockgarden.jpg" is 2.3 mb (1 pic), no wonder it takes forever for the page to load.[&:][:(]



curious monkey -> RE: noobie's first site (4/28/2006 10:18:22)

ok is there any way to optimize them w/o using a photoshop type program (which idon't have[:(]).... I noticed that my page loads differently on different sized moniters. (i guess I shouldn't of used %'s[:'(])any other problems that jump up?

<edit> what does everyone think? please. i need input.
thank you in advance!



Minix -> RE: noobie's first site (4/28/2006 12:32:31)

You can optimize them here for free.

http://www.netmechanic.com/products/HTML_Toolbox_FreeSample.shtml

And you really should because the load time is obnoxious.



Minix -> RE: noobie's first site (4/28/2006 12:35:15)

Here is your load time report from Netmechanics

14.4Kbps 10021.98 seconds
28.8Kbps 5011.99 seconds
56Kbps 2551.25 seconds
ISDN (128Kbps) 1129.25 seconds
Cable (512 Kbps) 283.81 seconds
T1 (1.44 Mbps) 102.20 seconds
SDSL (1.544 Mbps) 95.45 seconds
ADSL (2.0 Mbps) 74.14 seconds



curious monkey -> RE: noobie's first site (4/28/2006 12:39:25)

EEEEKKKK[sm=yikes.gif]



Lazykatz -> RE: noobie's first site (4/29/2006 6:15:12)

Wzzzzup and welcome to Outfront,

Here is a FREE program the can help optimizing. http://irfanview.com/

You can optimize, resize, crop, add text..etc...etc.

Anyone using this might want to know there was a new version released not to long ago, version 3.97 with a couple more features added.

Grizz [8D]



curious monkey -> RE: noobie's first site (5/1/2006 14:16:34)

Thanks I'm going to take care of the load time later on today..
but other than that has does it look, etc.[8|]



reformed hater -> RE: noobie's first site (5/1/2006 15:14:42)

I'm not the one that should be commmenting on this but i think that you shouldn't be using percentages in the code try using fixed numbers becuase everything is mving around where I assume it shouldn't be. but I like the simply idea of it is just needs work.[;)]



bobbydazzla -> RE: noobie's first site (5/3/2006 4:30:22)

sorry I gave up.....I'll try later when its optimised (like that word)...wish I could find something to optimise me[8D]



curious monkey -> RE: noobie's first site (5/4/2006 21:45:19)

I NEED HELP!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't get my form page to go to the conformation page or anything. I can't figure out irfanview so I'm going use someone elses photoshop. but I need the form to work. PLEASE HELP ME!!!!!!!!!!!![:o][&o][8|]



dpf -> RE: noobie's first site (5/5/2006 7:36:21)

our form is beig sent here:
action="javascript.asp?ID=<%=siteID%>"
do you have such a page?



curious monkey -> RE: noobie's first site (5/5/2006 9:39:23)

quote:

our form is beig sent here:
action="javascript.asp?ID=<%=siteID%>"
do you have such a page?


Ok i've changed that to my conformation page but i' get an error page! I'm not enjoying this.[&o]



Tailslide -> RE: noobie's first site (5/5/2006 9:58:54)

What sort of form are you using on the page? Is it some sort of FrontPage thing or another script such as FormMail?




dpf -> RE: noobie's first site (5/5/2006 11:18:28)

quote:

Ok i've changed that to my conformation page
generally, a form goes to a page to process that form and then to a confirmation page. does your confirmation page process the form??



curious monkey -> RE: noobie's first site (5/5/2006 14:24:33)

Well I'm kind of wishing I used frontpage instead of using notepad. I was on a site to learn how to code a form from scratch. [:'(] and now i'm in this hell. nothing is seeming to work right all the pages look horrilbe everywhere else except the computer I used to make it.[:(] again i say i'm not enjoying this..... could I in theory dump the code into FP and start the form all over again? but will I be able to have things required (not that that's working either)?



Tailslide -> RE: noobie's first site (5/6/2006 3:09:05)

This may make me unpopular here but I think you're doing things the right way - learning the code properly and using Notepad - this is exactly what I did. Don't let the occasional problem get the better of you, they can all be sorted! If you've already started in Notepad then I'd seriously advise you not to switch to FrontPage. You'll get a much better grip of the code doing what you're doing.

Ok so, this is what I'd do (assuming you've got a *nix webserver - let us know if you don't and we'll tell you the alternative)

Go to this site http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/scripts.shtml and download the zip file for FormMail.nms (this is a more secure version of the old favourite FormMail.pl which has been around for years).

Extract all the files on your pc.

Open up the file called Formail.pl in Notepad and follow the instructions there and in the Readme file. There are certain security settings that you can set up to prevent multiple spam mailings and other nasties - follow their advice.

Upload it to the CGI folder on your webserver using your FTP program. Change the CHMOD settings for this file once on your web server to 755. I do this via the FTP program - if I right-click on the file I get the option of changing the file's Properties and the CHMOD stuff is there - tick the Execute boxes till the CHMOD total goes to 755 or just type the number in.

So that's that end set up.

Now open your form in Notepad and add the following bits: 

<form id="enquiry" action="http://www.yoursite.com/cgi-bin/FormMail.pl" method="post">
<input type="hidden" name="recipient" value="1" />
<input type="hidden" name="subject" value="Website Enquiry" />
<input type="hidden" name="print_config" value="email, subject" />
<input type="hidden" name="required" value="required field 1, required field 2" />
<input type="hidden" name="redirect" value="http://www.yoursite.com/confirmationpage.html" />


in place of what you've got at the top of your form now. There's various hidden fields there which are explained in the Readme file - this is just what I've got set up on my form. The recipient value=1 bit corresponds with your email address in the cgi file - this way you reduce the risk of spam from having your email address in the HTML page itself.

The next couple of hidden value fields are to do with how the email you recieve is set up - this is how I've done it but there are other options.

The Required fields bit is listing in the value section the fields I want to be required. If they try submitting without filling those they'll get a server-side reminder. You don't need those and can take it out if you want.

The last hidden field is the redirect to your confirmation page.

This is usually fairly simple to get running. If you're getting errors then they're usually fairly predictable and easy to fix. Have a go and see what happens.

Edit: actually looking at your site I can see you're on a windows server so the particular script I mention won't work for you. There's another here: http://www.brainjar.com/asp/formmail/ that's very similar and has worked for me in the past. Same sort of set up as for the other script.



walrus -> RE: noobie's first site (5/6/2006 18:53:31)

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