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Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/2/2006 12:56:42
I'm suffering from terminal stupidity!
I'm building a web for a client and hosting it temporarily at www.imsl01.co.uk.
As you will see it is for a small design and print company who, like me, are picky about how their site looks.
I'm building the web in FP2002 (though the uploaded version is in FP2003 and it hasn't cured the problems).
The web is based on tables - I know, but I haven't got sufficiently ofey with CSS et al yet
Despite the fact that most of the web has been built around one page, which I've then copied, pasted and modified by hand, there are odd shifts in the position of things.
Worst still is that when I carefully place images in cells and publish the site the images move around based upon what browser I am using. If the images are correct in IE they are wrong in Firefox. Worse yet is that they are wrong in Safari - that's a MAC only browser and my client (and his clients) all have great big, widescreen MAC displays (I have mer mortal twin TFTs running at 1280x1024.
I know I can do the site in my DTP package rendered to small jpegs with graphical hotspots.
Can I do it in FrontPage so that it works properly?
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RE: Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/2/2006 14:13:53
Thank you both for your responses.
Being that the client has a rather large, wide, MacMon he has defined the page as (more-or-less) A4 landscape.
The page is, essentially, therefore fixed in size rather than fluid. The 203 (what) should, I think, be "px" - pixels.
If one takes the company.htm page as the basic model then all the other pages should fall into line with that page except, of course, that the left margin for the current section and the top table for the subsection will change as will the page content in the middle-right section.
The crucial and overriding problem is that an image that displays perfectly in the bottom right-hand corner of the middle-right section in IE changes its position in Firefox and Safari and this I simply do not understand at all.
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RE: Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/2/2006 15:55:50
Try removing the height statements, I believe they might be throwing it off.
Just a thought.
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<table border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="1200"
1200 pixels? Wow, this will create some side scroll for the lower end of the graphics curve but I understand why you did it above. I wouldn't recomend this though.
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RE: Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/2/2006 17:07:45
Thank you all very much for your replies thus far.
I will recode the company.htm page specifying px throughout as the unit of measurement and see what effect that has.
Height will be important to maintain.
Being an old geezer I have to work on the principle that the customer is right even though it make my (our) life difficult.
I'll come back to this post when I know the effect of the changes.
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RE: Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/2/2006 18:34:36
Okay...
I've now specified widths and heights as "px" throughout and republished.
Another oddity has crept back in - spurious black cell border lines in Firefox where they should not be. Firefox updated itself whilst I was doing this but that did not change anything.
I did something fairly obvious as a test in that I opened IE and Firefox and placed one on top of the other with great care. Interesting conclusion! The image blobs.gif is stretched in the vertical plane in Firefox compared with the same image in IE and in FrontPage itself. The code shows the pixel size of the image remaining constant but it would appear that either the Microsoft tools as squashing the image down or Firefox is stretching the image (and, by inference, so is Safari - but I can't test for that).
The main content table is identical in size, the text is rendered more-or-less identically, the image starts on the same horizontal plane and has the same width but in Firefox it is rendered as being larger that in IE.
Time for bed for me but in respect of the image I think I've found a problem. Now all I need is a solution!
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RE: Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/2/2006 22:09:26
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The code shows the pixel size of the image remaining constant but it would appear that either the Microsoft tools as squashing the image down
Could that be because 'automatic image resizing' is enabled in IE?
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RE: Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/3/2006 4:20:35
Hi Don...
I've checked the IE Advanced settings and changed that option in the Multimedia section a few times and reloaded the page from the server each time. No changes in page layout were observed.
My own belief is that IE is rendering that which I created in FPXP as it is rendered in FPXP but Firefox and Safari have their own ideas. This may, of course, be down to the fact that the code generated in FPXP is not compliant to the W3C standards (note the plural!) The best example of this, perhaps, is that when one selects % for table cell contents the code shows, say, 33% but when one selects pixels the code shows, say, 200 - without the px.
The problem is that the main page content area in IE and Firefox is rendered to an identical size when I overlay them and switch between them on screen but the Firefox image is stretching in Firefox and going outside the confines of that area.
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RE: Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/3/2006 5:45:47
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but the Firefox image is stretching in Firefox and going outside the confines of that area.
If you mean that you think Firefox is stretching the blobs.gif image - I strongly disagree. I established this by measuring it in IE and FF using Screen Calipers, and both are rendering the image to the exact size you have specified in the code.
What seems to be happening is a positioning issue, not a sizing issue.
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RE: Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/3/2006 10:57:42
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I use FrontPage because it's relatively quick
Ahhhh but is it? Has it taken you longer faffing around with this in FP than it would have taken me using notepad, html and css?
Indeed you are right, oh wise one! I think that monumental masonary and OCR would be quicker. On the subject of speed your motto reminds me of a saying or two - but only one that isn't rude..... Time flys like an arrow - fruit flies like a banana!
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RE: Pages that have a mind of their own! - 5/3/2006 11:29:34
OOOOOh! 100 posts and my signature appears!
Read about your banana and eye think it's very sad. So what you are saying is that H&S don't oblige you to wear safety goggle when attempting a fruity manoeuvre with hot coffee.
In my murky past I was a copper and was sitting in my van above the M11 at Loughton when below me an accident occurred involving, amongst other vehicles, an occupied hearse. Nobody was injured but the rear occupant of said hearse was transported through the front window - no seat, no seat belt - and into the outside lane. Sadly, the ensuing delay caused the occupant to be late to his own funeral.
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Some times you *do* want some fixed and some %ages (and sometimes a few not defined at all). Especially if you're trying to do a 'liquid' page using tables - it does work and for a big range of browsers when done properly. 
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