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rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	<big> and <small> = ?? - 5/3/2006 1:34:51 I'm in the middle of cleaning up some code sent to me by a colleague who learned how to write html just after the internet was invented. Would anyone know what <big> and <small> tags for font are equivalent to in pixels, points, 'size=', em or %? I'm not fussy, will take any conversion someone can come up with. Once I figure that out I'll be able to style all the nested bigs as headings and smalls as whatever they should be. The code is even breaking in IE so I'm having trouble guestimating this. Thanks for any help. _____________________________ Sally


Kitka Posts: 2520 Joined: 1/31/2002 From: Australia Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/3/2006 2:11:59 Hi Sally, They are absolute sizes that are calculated from a declared base font size. Maybe this quote from W3C might help your calculations: quote: <absolute-size> An <absolute-size> keyword refers to an entry in a table of font sizes computed and kept by the user agent. Possible values are: [ xx-small \| x-small \| small \| medium \| large \| x-large \| xx-large ] On a computer screen a scaling factor of 1.2 is suggested between adjacent indexes; if the 'medium' font is 12pt, the 'large' font could be 14.4pt. Different media may need different scaling factors. Also, the user agent should take the quality and availability of fonts into account when computing the table. The table may be different from one font family to another. Note. In CSS1, the suggested scaling factor between adjacent indexes was 1.5 which user experience proved to be too large. http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/fonts.html#value-def-absolute-size HTH. _____________________________ Kitka It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. (in reply to rubyaim)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/3/2006 3:03:44 Thanks Kitka, that does help . There is no base font in the code. I think what she sent to me was written to 3.2 (though it's not been declared) http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html32 It did not occur to me to look at w3org until your post I'll fiddle a bit more and send it to her to see if it's what she had in mind. _____________________________ Sally (in reply to Kitka)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/3/2006 6:37:46 quote: There is no base font in the code. In which case it's using the browser default, whatever that may be. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to rubyaim)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/3/2006 18:56:13 quote: In which case it's using the browser default, whatever that may be. That makes far too much sense Of course, it will take me all day to figure out what the default is - I can find the default font in IE but not the size _____________________________ Sally (in reply to jaybee)


emtohio Posts: 113 Joined: 2/23/2006 From: Dave Stevens Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/3/2006 19:08:07 on my screen the big was 14pt samll was 10pt _____________________________ Dave Stevens President FIELDMEDICS.COM (in reply to rubyaim)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/3/2006 19:21:27 Thanks emtohio _____________________________ Sally (in reply to emtohio)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/3/2006 20:11:00 quote: ORIGINAL: rubyaim quote: In which case it's using the browser default, whatever that may be. That makes far too much sense Of course, it will take me all day to figure out what the default is - I can find the default font in IE but not the size All the browsers have a different default. You need to specify a font size in your body tag. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to rubyaim)


Tailslide Posts: 6296 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/4/2006 2:46:26 If I remember rightly IE is about 16px. Firefox, Opera, Mozilla, Netscape etc are about 14px. Mac browsers are around 12px (possibly 10px can't remember). _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to jaybee)

rubyaim

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RE: <big> and = ?? - 5/4/2006 3:08:44

Thanks everyone who helped with this. I ended up making the executive decision not to even try to replicate what had been sent and to make the research department a template followed up with a bit of training on how to edit the code.

In case anyone is wondering why I was having so much trouble, here is a sample of the code.

This is after I had cleared out a lot of the excess so it would at least display in IE

<big
 style="color: rgb(0, 128, 0);"><br>
</big><big style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><span
 style="color: rgb(0, 128, 0);"></span></big>
<div style="text-align: center;"><big><big style="font-weight: bold;"><big><big><big><big><span
 style="font-family: times;"><span
 style="color: rgb(0, 128, 0);"></span></span></big></big></big><big
 style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 128, 0); font-family: times;"><big><big><big><big><big><br>
Sugar Counts</big></big></big></big></big></big></big></big><big
 style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(0, 128, 0); font-family: times;"><big><big><big><big><big><small><small><small><small><br>
</small></small></small><br></small></small></small></small></big></big></big>
<br>
<small>Field Test One<small><small><br>
</small></small></small><small><small><small><small><small><small><small><small><br>
</small></small></small></small></small></small></small></small></big></big></big></big></big></big></big></div>
<div style="text-align: times; color: rgb(0, 128, 0);"><big><big
 style="font-weight: bold;"><big style="font-weight: bold;"><big><big><span
 style="font-family: times;"><small><small><span
 style="font-family: times;"><br>
<br>
<br>
<small>Testing conducted at

_____________________________

Sally

(in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6296 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/4/2006 4:58:42 Oh my god! _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to rubyaim)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/4/2006 5:52:20 She definitely wanted the font small then. There's a post about js sizing of fonts in Hints and tips. There are problems with Safari at the moment but if he fixes that it could be useful. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Tailslide)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/4/2006 18:19:11 quote: Oh my god! I caught up with her last night and asked what was used to create the code. Notepad apparently ( and, I suspect, a couple of bottles of scotch ) < Message edited by jaybee -- 5/5/2006 4:22:01 > _____________________________ Sally (in reply to Tailslide)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: <big> and <small> = ?? - 5/5/2006 4:22:17 quote: ORIGINAL: rubyaim quote: Oh my god! I caught up with her last night and asked what was used to create the code. Notepad apparently ( and, I suspect, a couple of bottles of scotch ) I suspect something much stronger than that. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to rubyaim)