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Nicole Posts: 2843 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 5:18:40 I might be new to CSS positioning, but I've just been working on my site, checked it in FF and IE and then uploaded it. Opened Opera to check it there and the contents of my page are missing? Does anyone know why or where it is? http://www.users.on.net/~nicoleoz/services.htm Also, I get the feeling I'm not on top of things yet. I feel like I'm not "really" positioning anything and that things are just one under the other. Can someone who is CSS positioning savvy take a look and let me know whether my CSS is on the right track please. Thanks Nicole _____________________________


jaybee Posts: 14175 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:16:38 Well that's a good one!!!!! It looks to me like Opera is rendering the body background over the top of everything else but I haven't kept up with Opera bugs so I can't be sure. I also haven't been through your code in any detail. Try setting the background to transparent and see what it looks like in Opera. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Nicole)

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RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:22:19

You've included your text resize menu inside a div (textresize) but left the div statements on the include so you get the following...

<div id="textresize">
   <!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="includes/textresize.htm" TAG="BODY" startspan -->
<div id="textresize">
<p><a href="#" onclick="setActiveStyleSheet('textSizeSmall', 1); return false;" title="">
<img class="left" src="images/text1.png" alt="smaller text" width="35" height="30" /></a><span class="aaavanish"> | </span>
<a href="#" onclick="setActiveStyleSheet('', 1); return false;" title="">
<img class="left" src="images/text2.png" alt="medium text" width="35" height="30" /></a><span class="aaavanish"> | </span>

<a href="#" onclick="setActiveStyleSheet('textSizeLrg', 1); return false;" title="">
<img class="left" src="images/text3.png" alt="larger text" width="35" height="30" /></a><span class="aaavanish"> | </span>
<a href="#" onclick="setActiveStyleSheet('textSizeXLrg', 1); return false;" title="">
<img class="left" src="images/text4.png" alt="largest text" width="35" height="30" /></a></p>
</div>

<!--webbot bot="Include" i-checksum="12487" endspan -->
</div>

Did you mean to do that? Div inside another div both with the same class?

_____________________________

If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is.

GAWDS
Now where did I put that Doctype?

(in reply to jaybee)


womble Posts: 5597 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:23:00 Hmmm, interesting one! I've just had a look at the code and you've got two <div id="textresize">'s in there. When I took one of them out it displayed in Opera - mind you it totally messed the layout up as well! I suspect, though I can't work out why, it's got something to do with those identical <div>s. <edit> Mental note to self: practice typing faster to keep up with Jaybee </edit> _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14175 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:25:21 Beat ya! _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to womble)


Nicole Posts: 2843 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:26:26 Thanks, No I didn't mean to do it, are you kidding? I don't mean to do anything! can I blame it on my headache? I'll remove one of those div's. Thanks Nicole _____________________________ (in reply to womble)


Tailslide Posts: 6116 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:28:41 Get rid of position:relative in your container and the site reappears in Opera. _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to Nicole)


Tailslide Posts: 6116 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:31:53 Other things I'd look at would be to make your navigation a list (then you can probably dump the menu div around it) and also make sure you've got a <h1> on there somewhere. Edit: forget all the possible tiny tweaks though (cos you'll find those on every site on the web)- you're doing a great job there Nicole. _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to Tailslide)


jaybee Posts: 14175 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:32:04 You need to remove the the position relative on the container. It's relatively rubbish. Oh and psssst quote: At NixDesign, tailor websites to your particular requirements and needs, we have the expertise and experience to know what works, and more importantly, what doesn't work on the Web. From clean, effective photography and other imagery to correct spelling, grammar You're missing a we. [edit]darn, parrot mode again. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Tailslide)


Nicole Posts: 2843 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:35:07 Ahhh.....there it is, thanks all. I took out the div's from the include and did what tail said. My next challenge is to make the footer appear at the absolute bottom of the screen despite the page length possibly being shorter. Any good links you know of about that? Nicole _____________________________ (in reply to Tailslide)


Nicole Posts: 2843 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 6:38:50 Thanks Jaybee, I forgot to mention that the text at the moment is just cut and pasted from places to fill up space. I'm not that concerned about it just yet, but will be when I come to re-write the content again, this time taking search engines into account. When I said that I didn't feel that I was really positioning things, I meant that I'm using includes as you can see, but i read where you can position your content first in your code and everything else afterwards, but with the text-resize include I couldn't work out how to do that without putting it in the code exactly where I wanted it to appear on the page. _____________________________ (in reply to jaybee)


womble Posts: 5597 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 7:31:34 quote: ORIGINAL: Nicole My next challenge is to make the footer appear at the absolute bottom of the screen despite the page length possibly being shorter. Any good links you know of about that? You mean like 'glueing' the footer to the bottom of the viewport? _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ (in reply to Nicole)


Tailslide Posts: 6116 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 7:37:06 There's a couple of things that are hard to do with pure CSS layouts - centering (vertically and horizontally) is one. Getting the footer to stay at the bottom of the viewport is another. I avoid doing this because it needs a variety of hacks to get it to work well in all browsers. Probably the best way of doing it is this: http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/ But I have a feeling that it won't work well in IE7 (think I read it somewhere). Not sure I'm getting what you mean about the includes... should be no different than having the markup in the page. I start with the markup all in the page and styled how I want , then remove the various bits to the include pages replacing them with the include "calls" and it should be fine. _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to womble)


Nicole Posts: 2843 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 7:37:46 Yes, when there isn't that much on a page, I want the footer to be at the bottom of the viewport. But when a page is longer than the viewport, it just remains underneath the last piece of content. Am I saying this right? _____________________________ (in reply to womble)


womble Posts: 5597 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 7:38:54 Hmmm, I'm sure I've seen something about this somewhere, but my bookmarks are playing hide and seek today! <hehe> This is what I've found so far: http://underscorebleach.net/jotsheet/2004/12/frames-with-css-layout (I don't think that's what you're wanting to do?) Something similar to the Stu Nichols scrolling tables thingy? - http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/tablescroll.html or possibly this? - http://themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/ - there's a demo of a site with very short content, but the footer right at the bottom of the browser window. <edit> You posted before I'd finished typing! I think possibly the third one is the one you're thinking of? </edit> <edit2>And Tail beat us both! </edit2> _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ (in reply to womble)


Nicole Posts: 2843 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 8:05:07 The man in blue one looks like it's what I mean. Thanks for the link Tail & Womble. Unfortunately I really need to get this head on a pillow, hopefully it's not feeling the same tomorrow. Thanks again, will ask more I'm sure tomorrow. Nicole _____________________________ (in reply to womble)


Tailslide Posts: 6116 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 8:05:41 Ha! Too quick for all of you today Just to re-iterate Nicole - I would seriously suggest that you not try to have the footer at the bottom of the viewport. It is possible to do but you'll probably reduce the cross-browserness (oh look I made a new word!!) of the page. Plus you may be storing up problems for the future with IE7 and other new browsers. _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to womble)


Nicole Posts: 2843 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 8:13:22 okay, I might forget it then, seeing as I'll possibly face cross-browsidity problems. Night, night! _____________________________ (in reply to Tailslide)


womble Posts: 5597 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 8:29:11 I'd agree with Tail on this one. What you could do to stop the page looking too short if there's not much content on it is set a minimum height on your content <div>....but....(guess what)...that doesn't work on IE! (what a surprise!) (http://www.quirksmode.org/css/contents.html) What I did wonder is if using a transparent gif image would work? 1px by however long you want the minimum length of the page to be? _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ (in reply to Nicole)


dpf Posts: 7123 Joined: 11/12/2003 From: India-napolis Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 9:39:22 crossbrowsericity _____________________________ Dan (in reply to Nicole)


caz Posts: 3547 Joined: 10/10/2001 From: Somewhere south of Chester, UK Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/9/2006 14:54:29 Do you come from Crossbrowser City, Ohio now _____________________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will dance, or more on your keyboard. Cheshire cat. www.doracat.co.uk I remember when it took less than 4hrs to fly across the Atlantic. (in reply to dpf)


Nicole Posts: 2843 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/11/2006 4:30:19 Okay, I've lost my banner now. It's been mentioned above that you shouldn't put <div's> in your include AND in the html, so I'm confused now, very confused. Where should I have them? Nicole _____________________________ (in reply to caz)


womble Posts: 5597 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/11/2006 5:01:07 I'm not sure if there's a right or wrong way. I tend to put mine in the includes. _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ (in reply to Nicole)


Tailslide Posts: 6116 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/11/2006 6:14:26 I'd normally just have the major div's content (sidebar for instance) just so I can see where the div actually is in the markup when I'm editing it. But there's no reason why one or other would make a difference. Are you using SSIs or PHP includes? Also, don't know what this does: <!--webbot bot="Include" U-Include="includes/banner.htm" TAG="BODY" startspan --><!--webbot bot="Include" i-checksum="0" endspan --> .. well it looks like an include "call" but I've not seen it actually appear on the page before - is this a FrontPage thingy? _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to womble)


caz Posts: 3547 Joined: 10/10/2001 From: Somewhere south of Chester, UK Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/11/2006 6:29:11 Yes, that is a Frontpage include (which doesn't need extensions to work btw) and I usually put the div's in the main page, not in the included content page. It helps with editing as you say Tail. Have you checked the path to your include? < Message edited by caz -- 5/11/2006 6:36:25 > _____________________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will dance, or more on your keyboard. Cheshire cat. www.doracat.co.uk I remember when it took less than 4hrs to fly across the Atlantic. (in reply to Tailslide)


jaybee Posts: 14175 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/11/2006 6:37:44 The problem with having the div in the page as well as in the include is that if you have specified some inherited styling/layout it will be applied twice. For example, if you have specified 50% then depending on what it is, you can end up with 50% of 50% in the included div. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to caz)


caz Posts: 3547 Joined: 10/10/2001 From: Somewhere south of Chester, UK Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/11/2006 7:23:36 Your positioning is OK but you have missed the starting body tag in includes/banner.htm. I don't call the stylesheet in the included file, but leave it to be styled by the css of the calling page; mainly for the reason Jaybee said. _____________________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will dance, or more on your keyboard. Cheshire cat. www.doracat.co.uk I remember when it took less than 4hrs to fly across the Atlantic. (in reply to jaybee)


Nicole Posts: 2843 Joined: 9/15/2004 From: Nambucca / Kempsey, Australia Status: offline	RE: Eeek! Opera stole my site! - 5/11/2006 16:53:17 Thanks Womble, Tail, Caz & Jaybee, I didn't have you all on "ignore", I've just slept 30 of the past 36 hours. I've heard that learning CSS positioning can be a headache, but this is ridiculous. Thanks again Nicole _____________________________ (in reply to caz)

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