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Kat

 

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Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 3/31/2001 15:44:00   
Please forgive me if this is a stupid question, but I have been unable to find the answer on my own.

Is it possible to have different sets of shared borders in a single web? What I would like to do is have one set of borders for my main directory, and other sets for my other folders within my main directory.

I know that you can change shared borders on individual pages, but that goes against the reason I'm using shared borders in the first place.

I would greatly appreciate it if someone could tell me how to configure shared borders specific to various folders. I'm rather confused about it

Thanks!

abbeyvet

 

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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 3/31/2001 16:39:00   
No, you can only have one set of shared borders per web.

One thing you could do is make each of the directories into a sub web. This is not without it's problems though.

I think what you really need to do is investigate using include pages instead of shared borders - they will give you the flexibility you need.

http://www.outfront.net/globalelements.htm

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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 3/31/2001 17:46:00   
Kat, you get a LOT more flexibility with includes pages.

Most pages on my re-designed site have 3 or 4 includes on them. Top is one, side navigation is another, ads on the right are in a 3rd, and on most pages the main content is in a 4th. That way the content can be shared by other web sites in our station group. They have to put it in a frame because includes have to reside in the same web.

If your curious to see includes in action my site is at www.kwpnfm.com

Rich


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Kat

 

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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 3/31/2001 18:16:00   
Please forgive my ignorance, but what are includes pages? I've been using FP for a while, but I've never incountered them. Could someone please explain?

Thanks!


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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 3/31/2001 19:09:00   
Did you follow the link I gave you above? There is an explanation there. Read it and if you do not understand it post again.

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Kat

 

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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 3/31/2001 20:15:00   
I'm feeling terribly stupid today I followed the link and I did what it said, but it didn't work (at least I don't think it did...) and I don't understand it well enough to figure it out myself. I'd be very grateful if you could help me with it.

Thanks!


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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 4/1/2001 20:24:00   
The first thing is that to use include pages you really need to have you page set up in tables. If you are unfamiliar with this look here http://www.outfront.net/frontpagetables.htm and play around with them a bit first.


To give a simple example, suppose you want a page in three parts - a title bar at the top, a left navigation bar and the main body of the page. This is how you might proceed.

1. Open a new page, save it. We will call it template.htm
2. Make a table 100% wide, with two rows.
3. Split the second row into two columns.
4. In the left cell of the lower row right click and choose cell properties. Set it's width to 150 pixels. This is the width you want for your nav bar.
5. In the right cell of the lower row right click and choose cell properties. Untick the width box.

What we have done here is create a layout that will resize in various resolutions and window sizes.

6. Open another page. Save as header.htm. Put whatever logo etc you want at the top of the pages in your site in this page. Save.
7. Open another page. Save it as navbar.htm. Put your left navigation as you want it on the pages in here. Save.

8. Now go back to template.htm. Place your cursor in the top cell. Click Insert>IncludePage and browse to your header.htm. Select it, click ok. In it goes to your template page.
9, Repeat the procedure to insert navbar.htm in the left cell of the lower row in your template page. Save template.htm.

10. Now anytime you need a new page in your site just open your template.htm, click File>Save as and save it in the name of your new page - viola, a ready set up page with everything in place.

To make changes to navbar.htm or header.htm you only have to open them, make your cahnges and the changes will appear on every page in which they have been included.

This is a very very simple page set up but play around with including pages and you will see that it is a powerful management tool.
Do a few sample pages and get the feel for what you can acheive.


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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 4/1/2001 20:56:00   
Thank you *so* much for the explination The reason it didn't work before was because I didn't have tables in place. Unfortunately, now I have *another* problem

Now, the two columns (containing my navbar and main body section) don't size correctly. Either the navbar is way too wide, or it's way too small. It usually looks okay in FP Editor, but when I preview it in a browser, or when I publish it and check, the sizing changes.

Also, on a more minor note, how do I hide the table borders (I don't want to see them when I'm finished fixing the sizing)?

Thanks a lot!


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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 4/1/2001 17:08:00   
Hi Kat-

Check the CELL properties for each of your cells and make sure they are set as Katherine described. The navigation cell should be 150 PIXELS and the body cell width not checked.

To get rid of the border on your table, go into TABLE properties and set the table border to zero.

(Make sure you are matching the words I have put in uppercase - they'll get cha every time!)

Hang in there - you'll have that "AHA!" moment anytime now!


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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 4/1/2001 17:35:00   
Put a few lines of text in your main body cell - any rubbish for now. And I reecho Millies points - check the attributes and wait for that 'ping' moment!

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Kat

 

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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 4/1/2001 17:46:00   
I already had text in the main body cell, and I checked the CELL properties several times. They were already set according to your instructions, and they still are.

I tried re-saving and published the page again, but it still looks squashed

Thanks!


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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 4/1/2001 17:59:00   
You say you published - any chance of a URL so I can go take a look?

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Kat

 

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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 4/1/2001 20:57:00   
My URL? Sorry, I should have thought to post it before. I published it to:

http://dbd.8m.com/template2.htm

I hope you can see the problem from that.

Thanks!


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RE: Shared Borders Question - Please Help! - 4/1/2001 22:11:00   
Well, you've got the left column at 150 pixels and that's what it is. and the right column is collapsing/expanding as it should. I don't see a problem - except 150 isn't enough for the text links...

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