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jenc -> Web hosting multiple sites (6/30/2006 12:38:35)

Hi, all

I have looked around and can't find an answer.

I am paying for web hosting and have my 3 websites on one account.
1-affiliate site
2-husbands woodworking site
3-another affiliate site.

My question.
I have two people who want sites for their businesses which are actual stores. One is an Uncle and the other a man who has another business here in town.

If I get another web package similar to the business package I currently have for my sites can build and host their sites and maybe others legally?

I know nothing about the correct way to do this and had not thought about it before my Uncle had mentioned wanting a site and bam a light bulb clicked on, I could do that!!

Anybody know if I can do this?

Jen



Tailslide -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (6/30/2006 13:02:01)

You might want to look into Reseller packages where you can sell the space on to others.



jenc -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (6/30/2006 13:53:44)

Thanks TailSlide
I never new such existed. Got to get out more!

My host doesn't seem to offer reseller packages.

Does anyone here recommend a good one to use?

Jen



jaybee -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/1/2006 9:03:56)

www.serverfly.com

If the reseller is too expensive then take a look at their True-Multi plan



Donkey -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/3/2006 13:08:46)

Take a look at
1&1
For about a fiver a month you can host as many sites as you want within the space you are allocated, they are dirtcheap for domain registrations as well .co.uk for 1.99 per year.



jaybee -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/3/2006 14:03:48)

Be careful, bandwidth could be a problem with 1&1. It's all very well being able to shove as many sites in one account as you possibly can but you need to monitor their usage very carefully.

If your sites aren't going to get much traffic then you're fine but if one of them suddenly goes bananas you'll lose the whole lot for the remainder of the month or until you pay for more bandwidth.



Donkey -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/4/2006 10:54:11)

1&1 currently offer 10Gb per month on the 4.99 package rising to 80Gb per month on the 19.99 per month package.

If you go over your allowed usage in any month they charge you 99p per Gb but you can always upgrade your package which is a cheaper option.



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/15/2006 16:39:17)

Jen,

If you have money to spend on a good host, don't go with 1&1. They are fine for personal websites, but businesses should be placed on a much better host.

I suggest you read up on reseller hosting, as that might be the best option for you.



Donkey -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/15/2006 19:40:47)

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If you have money to spend on a good host, don't go with 1&1. They are fine for personal websites, but businesses should be placed on a much better host.
Is that just your personal opinion, or can you give some reasons why we should believe that.

1&1 are the world's biggest web host offering everything from a simple 1.99 per month account up to managed dedicated servers. Many successful business using 1&1 do not share your viewpoint.



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 2:30:22)

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Is that just your personal opinion, or can you give some reasons why we should believe that.

- 1&1 puts free hosting accounts on shared servers, causing high loads, and tons of spam complaints. Spammers and people running illegal businesses look for companies that offer free hosting. Their servers are overloaded due to many accounts bringing in low profit, and providing large amounts of resources. It's perfectly fine for people who need cheap hosting, they are one of the best cheap hosts around.

From what I remember they don't use cPanel either, which is considered to be about the best web hosting control panel around.

Most businesses can afford $10-$30/month for good quality hosting that doesn't significantly oversell, why settle for something less?

If I was to suggest specs for a hosting company (for the business user, not personal), I would want something with redundancy (hard drive, power, bandwidth providers), proven quick tech support replies, and fast servers.

A lot of stuff can happen, these cheap hosts are the kind that businesses need to stay away from. What happens when the server goes down? You no longer have just a few people complaining, but hundreds of people taking up the time of the companies' tech support.

What website are you hosting through 1&1?

here are a couple reviews
Check http://webhostingtalk.com/search.php and http://www.google.com for more reviews (you will find a LOT of bad reviews)



Donkey -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 13:29:14)

1&1 don't offer free accounts. They start cheap but you can go up to high spec enterprise server hosting at £239 (approx $435) per month with a whole range of options at different price levels.

I think you are generalising too much - just because they are a big company and not American they can't be as good as the host that you are using.

All of the things you suggest for a business user are available from 1&1 and many UK companies use them.

My argument is that for a small company you can start small then move seamlessly to a more expensive package if and when you need it.

Personally I don't host any business sites on 1&1 yet. As you know I am not a professional and while I am learning I use my 1&1 account for several hobby sites that are in various stages of development (none of which I wish to share with this forum).

1&1 seem to have won a good few awards so perhaps your view is not shared by too many other professionals.

Here is a list of testimonials from businessess hosted by 1&1.



womble -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 14:00:07)

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ORIGINAL: BobbyDouglas
Most businesses can afford $10-$30/month for good quality hosting that doesn't significantly oversell, why settle for something less?

If I was to suggest specs for a hosting company (for the business user, not personal), I would want something with redundancy (hard drive, power, bandwidth providers), proven quick tech support replies, and fast servers.


I've never had any dealings with 1&1, so I can't comment on them, but all my domains are with hosts with good specs, and I pay significantly less than $10-$30/month.



womble -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 14:24:27)

Found this while looking for something else - it's quite a good guide as to what to look for in a hosting package and lists the pros and cons of the different options, and part 2 to it (here - the link at the bottom of part 1 doesn't work) looks more in depth at what different hosting features mean.



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 18:53:58)

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1&1 don't offer free accounts.

- A couple months out of the year they have a special promo where they offer a ton of free hosting accounts, I know because I got one to try out their horrible service.

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I think you are generalising too much - just because they are a big company and not American they can't be as good as the host that you are using.

- Their size and location has nothing to do with their overloaded servers and bad service.

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1&1 seem to have won a good few awards so perhaps your view is not shared by too many other professionals.

Here is a list of testimonials from businessess hosted by 1&1.

- The testimonials are hand picked, of course there are going to list the happy customers.

The professionals over at webhostingtalk.com never have anything good to say about 1and1, unless you are looking for the cheapest host around.

When trying to find out how good a company is, it is smart to look for places that are NOT related to the website. You will get a much better idea about the company.

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I've never had any dealings with 1&1, so I can't comment on them, but all my domains are with hosts with good specs, and I pay significantly less than $10-$30/month.

- Like who?



jaybee -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 19:21:19)

I've hosted with various different companies before settling with the two I use now. I left those other companies for two reasons: billing problems and poor support.

The two companies I had the most hassle with were Bladehost and 1&1.

Bladehost billed me twice for a renewal, then killed the account for non-payment and getting the account reactivated and the overpayment back was not the easiest of things especially when you can't actually talk to anyone.

1&1 tech support is atrocious on anything apart from the simplest of things. As soon as you start querying stuff like time-out settings and cron problems you might as well be talking to a Martian and woe betide you if you start to sound irritated with the garbage you're being fed, they put the phone down on you.

Emails to both companies took around 4 days to get a reply. I found the easiest way to get an answer out of them was to pretend to be a potential customer with pre sign up queries. Emails then came back within the hour.



Donkey -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 19:23:15)

If they are so bad why are they the biggest hosting company in the world? , and why have they won so many awards?

It is always possible to find people who are dissatisfied with any service. I certainly get the odd few in my business and I'm sure there are one or two out there who are unhappy with the service you provide. That doesn't necessarily mean that you are bad at what you do.



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 20:04:42)

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If they are so bad why are they the biggest hosting company in the world?

- They oversell their servers so they can have many many accounts. "Big" doesn't mean good. I would much rather be with a good host with half the number of clients, than a crappy host with millions of clients.

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It is always possible to find people who are dissatisfied with any service.

- Of course, but when you go to a place where web hosts hang out, and they tell you to avoid 1and1, it sure stands out- doesn't matter how many awards have been won, or how many testimonials have been posted.

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I certainly get the odd few in my business and I'm sure there are one or two out there who are unhappy with the service you provide.

- I've never lost a client or had one who I knew was unhappy with me or my service.

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several hobby sites that are in various stages of development (none of which I wish to share with this forum)

- Why wouldn't you want to do that?



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 20:21:08)

Here's a wonderful read about how 1and1 decided to remove BitTorrent from the overloaded shared servers. I guess their super duper powerful servers were unable to handle BitTorrent files.

I'm not going to waste time by searching for more horrible stories, they are so many around that it is amazing.

quote:

they put the phone down on you.

- I've heard the same things [:'(]



caz -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 20:42:38)

Real world businesses often have customers who are unhappy with the product/services and use the experience as part of their quality management efforts. When queries are solved to the customers' satisfaction, be it with better explanation of user manuals or assembly instructions , then it leads to better quality offerings in future. It's a natural development, so I would question the professionalism of businesses who claim that they do not know of any dissatisfied customers.

My host is a small outfit who know Windows servers and FPSE very well, I chose them initially for that reason but have stayed with them because they have proved to be good at what they do. Based in the UK and Holland they are contactable using a normal national phone number for support, rather than an 0870 number where you are paying extra and no call centre silliness. Mulitple domains on one account if you want, a cp plus lots of other things. They are called Web Tapestry, but you have probably not heard of them. Billing has been known to be a little wonky, in that they forgot to charge me one year [:D] But they have since hired more staff so I won't get some free time again. As an example of fine work, when the local telephone exchange was destroyed by fire and that region of the country had a phone outage for days they quickly moved everything to their Dutch branch - in about an hour all sites were reachable.

What it comes down to is doing your own research based on your personal requirements and taking comments in fora with a pinch of salt. I looked at the fora mentioned above and found that the opinion of 1&1 was generally even - some good, some bad.

As for Donkey not wishing to list his hobby sites - be grateful, be very grateful. [:D]



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/16/2006 21:19:36)

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I would question the professionalism of businesses who claim that they do not know of any dissatisfied customers.

- Why? Because you don't know how it is possible?

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What it comes down to is doing your own research based on your personal requirements and taking comments in fora with a pinch of salt.

- When you visit forums that are dedicated to the hosting industry, you should really take the comments with more than a pinch of salt.

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I looked at the fora mentioned above and found that the opinion of 1&1 was generally even - some good, some bad

- Which forum are you talking about? The one I linked to sure isn't even at all.



jaybee -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/17/2006 6:40:40)

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As for Donkey not wishing to list his hobby sites - be grateful, be very grateful. :)


Oh Dear. Trainspotters R Us site not doing too well then? [;)]



Donkey -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/17/2006 6:46:41)

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when you go to a place where web hosts hang out, and they tell you to avoid 1and1, it sure stands out

Amazing! Businessess that tell you their biggest competitor is crap. That's the place to go for unbiased advice.

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I've never lost a client or had one who I knew was unhappy with me or my service.

Then you are unique. Which is very hard to believe.

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Why wouldn't you want to do that?
Because they are not in a state which is ready to be put up for criticism yet and some probably never will be - nothing to do with where they are hosted. Anyway it's not compulsory .



Nicole -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/17/2006 7:14:19)

Interesting topic guys,

Please don't let it get out of hand because I'm learning a lot about things I previously didn't know.

From personal experience though, and not directed at web hosts really, but I've been with a few different ISP's since 1997 when i first went online, and the thing I've noticed is that the bigger they get, i.e. when some bigger ISP buys them out and then a bigger ISP again buys that one out, the standards of service really slip. Probably similar to when people used to do their shopping at local corner stores compared to supermarkets now.

The thing is though, I believe anyway, there's too many people who are simply blind and post supporting messages for their mates just because they've never experienced any problems themselves. If they experienced a problem really, they'll soon change their tune.

Loyalty means nothing to these big businesses, look at how banks operate for instance!

Nicole



Donkey -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/17/2006 7:24:36)

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Probably similar to when people used to do their shopping at local corner stores compared to supermarkets now.
A lot of people believe that things were better in the old days when we went to small grocery shops for everything, but is it really true?

The supermarkets offer a greater variety of foods at lower prices, in more hygenic packaging and generally in better condition than the corner stores ever could. The reason some of the corner shops are so much better nowadays is because they have risen to the challenge and the high standards the supermarkets have set.

There is a lot of things I don't like about supermarkets, their purchasing policies that are driving british farmers out of business for starters, but you have to admit they have substantially improved the lot of the consumer.



jaybee -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/17/2006 8:36:28)

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A lot of people believe that things were better in the old days when we went to small grocery shops for everything, but is it really true?

Yes and no.

I use my local butcher rather than the supermarket. The quality is superb and the flavour beats anything I've ever had from a supermarket. I pay a little more but I know it's local produce and it's good quality. They're also a hoot. The signs outside say thing's like

"We suspect our head butcher may be suffering from Mad Cow Disease but our steaks are guaranteed free of it"

I use my local fishmonger rather than the supermarket as I know where the fish came from and it's fresh every morning.

I get my magazines etc from the local newsagent.

All my other stuff comes from the supermarket, online ordering. Why? Choice, prices and availability. I favour them for vegetables rather than my local greengrocer as I rather like my potatoes etc to last more than a couple of days before going rotten. I do however try to buy British.

I am currently looking at an organic produce supplier though who delivers fruit/vegetable boxes weekly.

I will normally go for price but there is a limit where paying a bit more and getting better service wins out. In the case of hosting, my current host charged less than Bladehost but gave better support. 1&1 gave cheap hosting and rubbish support in my case.

I think it's as Nicole says, they get too big and then the little guys lose out. As long as you have a straightforward site with no complications then they're great but if you're trying to run business sites on the cheap and those sites have bells and whistles that can go wrong, then you're in trouble.

The big businesses running with them and using dedicated servers will get the bulk of the support as I suspect they use profits from those to offset the cheap offerings for us Oiks.



Reflect -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/17/2006 11:49:53)

I have been hosted by 1&1.

They came to the US, or at least stated advertising heavily early last year. I took a chance and migrated one site/domain over to them to test the water. Inital setup, no issue. However I had some cron job issues, I never was able to get it resolved. In the end when that site was migrated off of 1&1 I setup a cron to do the same thing and it worked without issue. I had some SSL issues. I wanted to use a pirvate SSL certificate. I do this routinely. 1&1 could not import the certificate [8|]. They first stated the txt file was corrupted. I exported it again, same outcome. I then took the export to a Windows 2000 server and imported it without issue. They finally talked me into using a shared certificate. I then had a Pay Pal Pro export that is pretty common, it needs to also be imported and configured at the server level. They tried to apply it like a SSL certificate. I got to tier three support on that ticket. I kept telling them to view the applied SSL certificate and it would show they miss applied it. The tier three tech., after me walking him through it three times, admitted that I was correct and got a "peer" to look at it. The peer got on the line and said what I had stated was absolutely corect and fixed it while I waited. I then one month into it lost my FTP access. Everything I could see showed the account was physically gone. Called support and they concurred. They stated it happens from time to time. Then the next month all the log files disappear on me. I call and they stated they rolled a new policy out for log file retention. Cool I say, where and how did you notify me. They did not was the response. I lost 2 days worth of pay per click data stats.

When the last issue of the log files missing hit I migrated away from them.

Take care,

Brian



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/17/2006 13:16:12)

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Amazing! Businessess that tell you their biggest competitor is crap. That's the place to go for unbiased advice.

- Actually many businesses do not self promote on WHT, in fact, I think it is highly frowned upon and/or not allowed.

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A lot of people believe that things were better in the old days when we went to small grocery shops for everything, but is it really true?

- I tend to think so, you get that personal touch for each client. I know every client by first & last name, and their main website. I even have some of their cell phone numbers memorized. But hey, I'm unique, because I've never lost a client or had one who I knew was unhappy with me or my service.

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Because they are not in a state which is ready to be put up for criticism yet and some probably never will be

- I wasn't asking so I could comment on the website, I was going to look more into the hosting issues of your site by looking at the domain/uptime.

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I call and they stated they rolled a new policy out for log file retention.

- I've heard a couple times that they do small things like this (not specifc to the log files) for the server's benefit. Once again, due to overloaded servers.



rdouglass -> RE: Web hosting multiple sites (7/17/2006 16:23:08)

I personally do not use nor recommend any of the larger/free/cheap hosts like the ones stated above. When I have a problem, I want to talk to someone that is heavily invested in the sucess of *my* web site and not how many new accounts they sign up to break even. That's why I like the smaller outfits - I know who I'm dealing with.

I hate with a passion any tech support offerings that read from a 'canned script' 'cause they're minimum wage phone jockeys and not someone that knows what they're doing. To me that is well worth the $5 per month or so more than one of those cheaper 'shared server' offerings.

When you do this for a living; quality technical support is worth quite a bit when you have customers that rely on you keeping things working.

Hey, I wouldn't hire the cheapest carpenter so why should I hire a web host based on price? A lot of people shop at Walmart (me included) but I don't go there to buy anything that I want the best quality in. I go there to buy something adequate. If I want 'adequate' or 'cheap' hosting, I'll go to a large 'shared hosting' provider. If I want quality hosting, I go elsewhere.

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