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JacieClaeys
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Tables Vs CSS - 8/19/2006 16:41:45
I am in the process of making my product page template in CSS and did a seach for how to make tables in CSS.
I came across this site (rant?)
http://www.decloak.com/Dev/CSSTables/CSS_Tables_01.aspx
My tables run from 5 rows to 25 rows and I am beginning to wonder if CSS-P is the way to go with them. He makes some interesting arguments here, I'm just not sure which ones are valid and which ones are not.
I'd be interested in your imput here.
Jacie
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jaybee
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RE: Tables Vs CSS - 8/19/2006 17:58:37
He makes a number of arguments there that are just plain wrong. The major one being that Microsoft might do something different. Unfortunately, Microsoft are actually falling into step with the other browsers and the replacement for FP, EWD, creates tableless pages.
Having read it, it seems to me that the gentleman doth protest too much. In other words, he can't do it so it must be rubbish.
Fact is, tableless pages are a complete and utter, right royal pain in the doodah when you first start using them. Why? Mainly because Microsoft's rotten browser has always handled them differently to all the others, but as previously mentioned, they've recognised the error of their ways and are fixing as much as they can for IE7, due out soon.
If you have an interest in accessibility, eg. making sure your site can be read and understood by the blind (using screenreaders) then you need to be looking at tableless. Having said that, it is confusing and not a good thing to try when you have a deadline looming.
There are plenty of sites with templates you can grab and play with. http://www.cssplay.co.uk/
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RE: Tables Vs CSS - 8/20/2006 4:33:05
I've yet to see someone who's really got into CSS properly (not just dabbled) who's said that they're then going back to tables. Most of his arguments smack of someone who doesn't really know what they're doing with it.
If someone like Dan Cederholm or Doug Bowman suddenly decided to go back to tables then it would be worth listening to as they've produced a lot of really good CSS work and understand it very well.
I've been using only CSS layouts for the last three years for clients' sites. It takes a while to get your head round it and initially it's not easy to get around the cross-browser issues (without these issues CSS would be a piece of cake). After a while though you learn to go around these issues and avoid hacks and other nastiness. You will get thrown the odd curve ball, but there's so much help out there that you'll find the solution or a way around the problem. Over the last few years the available CSS resources have increased enormously.
CSS isn't a perfect spec by any means - but it really does help me cut down my development time enormously. It's easier to update, easier to ensure the site is accessible - it's just easier for me in 95% of ways.
I've recently started adding print stylesheets and handheld stylesheets to all my client sites (and my own) and that just wouldn't be possible if I was using a table layout.
This is one of my favourite pages on the topic: http://www.hotdesign.com/seybold/index.html
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