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EWD - FPSE? - 9/11/2006 14:16:11
I'm pretty sure that the FPSE component of FrontPage has been fully removed in EWD.
Assuming that is true:
1) What is going to replace it?
2) Are we still able to do those 1 click contact forms?
3) What about the counters that could be inserted and configured in like 2 secs?
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/11/2006 16:37:12
Just enable "Web Sites Meta Data" to have EWD use pretty much all of the FP components and work with FPSE's.
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Web Sites Meta Data
That's what Microsoft is now calling the files that FrontPage puts in those hidden "_vti" folders you may have seen in your site while viewing in Windows Explorer.
Expression does not put those files and folders into your site by default, but you need them if you want to use include pages, or if you want Expression to maintain the hyperlinks in your site when you change file names (like FP does.) Here's how to make EWD place those files into your site and work more like FrontPage.
Site > Site Settings > Check "Manage site using metadata files.
http://www.firstexpression.com/quicktips/expression-quick-tips.htm
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/11/2006 20:29:30
Thanks for that bit of info, however, what about contact forms and hit counters? Are these fully removed from EWD?
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/11/2006 23:28:34
Site > Site Settings > is greyed out on my computer.......any way to change that?
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/12/2006 8:43:40
The way it works on my computer is to do Site > Site Settings > Check "Manage site using metadata files. Then these options are no longer greyed out.
That's not working for you?
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/12/2006 8:44:16
FP forms work just fine for me after I do the above.
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/12/2006 22:52:03
Got it going now........I had to create a site and then save it before anything under "site" was available to me, so now, all the options under site are clickable. Thanks
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/13/2006 18:39:25
I recently imported a FP site into the web designer to do my next update to the site.
Everything was great and then my link bar got hosed.
Will that setting allow me access to my link bar properties?
BTW, I love the CSS support.
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/13/2006 21:29:06
My experience is that the link bar gets hosed when you import a site with FP too.
Importing is for individual files or small groups of files -- not for entire FP based sites because it doesn't move all the files you need to move.
You should be able to just open your site in EW the same way you open it in FP.
EW contains the same mechanism for dealing with the FP nav component that FP 2003 had.
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/14/2006 9:07:50
Thanks for the reply.
Actually, what I did was copy the files from my original site to a new folder and converted the folder to a web site.
The Link Bar got hosed when I was working on a page, not during the original import.
BTW, thanks also for introducing me to Expression. I was in the process of converting my sites to use more CSS and Expression makes that a snap. Being relatively new to CSS, the drop-downs in the CSS toolbar are extremely helpful.
I was considering purchasing Dreamweaver because I didn't like the way FrontPage uses so much proprietary code and is so dependent on tables.
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/14/2006 9:35:45
The only way I know of to kill the link bar would be to change the file name of the default home page or to completely overwrite the default home page. I'm curious to know exactly what you were doing when the bar went away?
In the long run, it's probably best to get rid of the FP nav component anyway.
I always liked the FP nav bar for small sites maintained by people who did not know any code. It can be very problematic when your site grows beyond 100 or so pages, however.
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/14/2006 10:36:41
I was editing the HTML to remove "illegal" tags, etc.
The site I was working with was developed in FrontPage and had width values on the TD tags, etc, that EWD didn't like when I set it to strict XHTML standards.
I fixed the problem by copying the site again and using FrontPage to access the component.
As for using the Nav link bar, what to you replace it with?
I've only been doing web development for a couple of years and having that keep track of links, etc, is wonderful.
BTW, most of my sites have been small.
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/14/2006 11:19:42
The webbot component tag for the FP link bar would be considered "Illegal." That EW command killed the link bar.
I think it's fine to use the code purifiers that EW has on new sites or site redesigns. I think you're asking for endless headaches if you use them on old sites that use lots of FP proprietary stuff.
I think regular text links controlled by a dynamic web template and/or and include page are the most efficient way to go for navigation. They're easy to edit. They're exremely search engine friendly. And usability tests show that users are more likely to click on them than grahics.
Here is more information dyamic web templates.
http://www.outfront.net/tutorials_02/fp_techniques/dwt-1.htm
Here is information on working with includes.
http://www.outfront.net/tutorials_02/getting_started/includes1.htm
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RE: EWD - FPSE? - 9/26/2006 10:46:08
How can we replace FPse on our sites using expressions and what tools do we use to clean up the code? Optimize HTML? I am a beginner so simple solutions are best I only know the code is a mess because others have mentioned it!
Thanks
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