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shaw -> Critique this site for me please. (10/17/2006 13:07:23)

I don't consider myself to be a novice, but I know there's a lot more for me to learn.

Someone mentioned that I had a cute site but didn't know much about code. Is this because I used FP and the code is cluttered. Do you know a tutorial where I can read about using good code. I did use a stylesheet and as many divs as possible. Can you all help me with this?

www.baby-angels.org

Oh and this may not be the area, but i'm looking for some graphics designers to help create my own angels.



jaybee -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/18/2006 9:45:41)

The code isn't too bad as you have used divs but you've stuck them in tables which is where I think the comments came from. Ideally you should try to do away with tables, that's the whole point of css. Having said that you're way ahead of a lot of people and your code is much cleaner.

The site is a little too cutesy for me but I kind of know where you're coming from. With your subject matter you don't want dark and sombre.

I'm not mad about the lower section being wider than the top. Header section wider to match up. Currently it feels wrong. [edit] that'll confuse you. IE shows it at the right width, the other browsers don't. When developing use Firefox to check it, then fix it for IE.

The deep pinks are too vibrant, they're taking over the whole page, soften them. It's not a Barbie site.

And finally my commiserations. My mother lost my older sister when she was 6 months old. It was 59 years ago and she still cries when she thinks about it.



womble -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/18/2006 15:13:21)

You also need to be consistent with your navigation as well. The links on your home page are a completely different style to the rest of the site and to tie a site together you need consistency. On a number of pages you're also getting an error message in the top left hand corner of the screen "Error processing SSI file".



shaw -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/20/2006 22:40:30)

Thanks for the advice. I put the site up quickly. Creating sites takes a lot of time and i'm sort of impatient and always in a hurry. I will get rid of the tables as I am using CSS more and more each day.

And, "kind of cutesy", is a great complement for me! Its the tone i'd like to set for the site. I don't want to add sad music and an interface that screams grief up for already grieving families! I will lighten the dark pink too. I'll be back here soon to get feedback on the newer site. Thanks! Oh, and when you lose a baby or child at any age, the pain cuts deep and never goes away. Its been only five years for me and it seems like five days. I've heard that some people cry a lifetime.



anderskorte -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/21/2006 6:21:20)

“Contact Baby Angels” is an email link, but you haven't warned about it. Email links are a little useless anyway, because practically no one will use them. They'll copy and paste the email address instead to their email app or webmail.

It's nice, but you need to make it better structured. It looks a little misaligned and just thrown together. If it was a little better thought out, the overall feel of the site would be more sophisticated and convincing.



d a v e -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/21/2006 11:04:33)

"Email links are a little useless anyway, because practically no one will use them. They'll copy and paste the email address instead to their email app or webmail."

i don't :)



dpf -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/21/2006 20:36:50)

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because practically no one will use them
what do you base that statement on?



anderskorte -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 5:12:24)

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ORIGINAL: d a v e

i don't :)

I do. Unwarned email links are horrible, I associate them with unwarned PDF links.

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ORIGINAL: dpf

what do you base that statement on?

I have never used them because of the spam issue and because no client has ever requested so, but...

Do you really use them? Well, of course if you're using an email app which you always have at hand. Personally, I totally hate them. The worst thing is that my Outlook Express pops up (I use webmail, so I don't have an email app, Outlook Express comes with IE) and I have to click through 5 different states because it wants me to set up an email account. The computer also hangs for 3-5 seconds.

The people to I've talked to don't like email links and don't use them (unless they're at work with Outlook open all the time). So that's the notion I've got. People don't use them.

If you're on the web, you're on the web. Email is separate. If there's a link named ”Contact Us”, it should stand for contact information with people's names, the company's postal address and some email addresses.

Email links are acceptable when you have the email address as the link name. But even then, I copy and paste the address because I want to use the email account and app I want, not what happens to be the default at the time.



dpf -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 10:33:23)

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Do you really use them
..all the time..as do people i talk to



jaybee -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 12:13:00)

Me too, if there's a handy mail link I click it.



Tailslide -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 12:46:02)

Me too! Why do 4 things (copy, open client, click "new message", paste address) when you can do one thing.

On client sites I usually have a form and an email link (usually the email address but not always).



dpf -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 13:19:39)

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Well, of course if you're using an email app which you always have at hand.
...that isnt a requirement. mail link opens whatever email you have as default in browser..even yahoo or hotmail



dpf -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 13:21:09)

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Contact Baby Angels” is an email link, but you haven't warned about it
well maybe its just me but i see that as a "warning" contact.....I dont expect it to dial the phone



d a v e -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 13:45:53)

"I dont expect it to dial the phone " lol!



womble -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 14:31:03)

I'm in two minds about it. If I'm working on my laptop where I only use Gmail, I do tend to get annoyed if I click on something I think is a link to a contact page with contact info, and then Outlook starts opening up. If it's something that looks like navigation (i.e. it's with links to other pages) I expect it to take me to another page. If it's inline, I'd usually expect it to be an email link. On that page, with it being with another link to a page where it sort of looks like navigation, I'd tend to think it was navigation and expect it to take me to another page.



d a v e -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 14:39:47)

i guess they could change the 'contact' to 'email' ?! though when i think of contact on web pages i usually think of email, or possibly phone (but then i might expect the word phone/tel) as the first mode of contact ;)



anderskorte -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 15:18:35)

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ORIGINAL: dpf

I dont expect it to dial the phone

A contact link is supposed to go to a contact info page, not launch an interface feature.



You guys are great, you just convinced me of mailto:// links. And I tell you, I'm not a person who's easy to convince.

Always learning something new every day.

Kudos to Outfront. Kudos!



womble -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 15:49:08)

Of course what I actually tend to do these days is over over the link and check the status bar to see where the link's pointing to - whether it's a url or a mailto:, but I'm guessing that most users wouldn't do that.



dpf -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 15:50:13)

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supposed to go to a contact
..says who?



d a v e -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/22/2006 16:11:31)

and of course you can always use the title attribute on the anchor to explain the nature of the link...



Peppergal -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/24/2006 0:30:26)

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ORIGINAL: dpf

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Well, of course if you're using an email app which you always have at hand.
...that isnt a requirement. mail link opens whatever email you have as default in browser..even yahoo or hotmail


and I have a firefox extension that opens up gmail for me when I click a mailto link. It's called Gmail manager, and you can set it to handle multiple gmail accounts. it's the best thing since sliced bread!



shaw -> RE: Critique this site for me please. (10/31/2006 1:23:38)

I would like to thank everyone for their honest opinions. The comments are not too bad. I'm really hard on myself and thought i'd get a LOT worse, although I know it needs to be improved. I did "throw" the design together fast. I spent a lot of time on the header because I didn't know exactly what look I was looking for. I just know I want people to feel a great sense of comfort. I'm in the process of a redesign (using Dreamweaver) and I have to move my files to a new server in order to get my guestbook to work! I'm going to create it with PHP and MySQL (something new because i'm used to the old "ASP and Access" setup). I've found my skills to be antiquated in today's Web industry.

And, great point about the email link, I didn't think about the dreaded Outlook popping up. I HATE IT WHEN THAT HAPPENS! I would rather much set up a form. I will be in touch soon.



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