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dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	Old web created in front page - 10/17/2006 16:41:29 I am trying to modify some navigation of an old web that was created in front page like 3 or 4 years ago at least. Basically, there is a navigation to the left where I want to edit a link...however, I can not find anywhere to edit it. When I load it in front page, it comes up with no pictures and only 1/2 the actual content of the page. When I load it with visual interdev, it comes up with <!--msnavigation-->. I need to edit that. Or, when I open it in notepad, I see the actual code; however, I do not want to edit every single page to fix the problem. How can I find the right navigation page to edit?


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 8:27:36 Have you tried Publishing it into FP? And make sure it opens as a web site. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 8:50:40 We don't publish anything here using front page...we house the web sites internally. So, changing it on the page changes it on the web instantly. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 8:52:29 So are you using FP to edit this old site? Duh sorry, yes you are. Have you got all the options in FP turned on/installed and are all the folders from the old site, including the hidden ones available to FP? < Message edited by jaybee -- 10/19/2006 8:58:45 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 8:56:06 Well, I can use fp, notepad, or visual interdev...anyone is fine with me. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 9:00:16 Have you got all the options in FP turned on/installed and are all the folders from the old site, including the hidden ones available to FP? Usually nav problems mean the _themes file or something similar isn't available. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 9:02:58 Your best bet may be to set up a new nav as an include and then do a Find/Replace of the old code line. FP will let you do that for all pages in the site not just one. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 9:04:47 When I open the site in FP, not all of the folders become available. I have checked in the hidden folders that do not come over to FP and searched for some file I could modify; however, there isn't any there. There is one file that is called left.htm which looks similar to the file I am trying to modify, but it is different. It is located in the _borders folder. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 9:12:27 Ahh then the old site was using shared borders. Left.htm is your nav. You won't see the hidden folders in FP, only Explore, however they must be there. If all of them are in the same folder then do File>Open Site. I'm on a Mac at the moment without access to FP so I can't walk you through it but it sounds like you need to have a look in Format>Shared borders. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 9:18:07 The way to tell if a page is using shared borders is that there will be a Microsft tag in the header with values like "tlb" or "trb" that denotes which borders it uses. tlb = top left bottom. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 9:37:18 http://www.dee-inc.com/netstore/catalog/primecategory.asp?MainCategory=Enclosures It is this site I am trying to change. On the left hand side there is a place called Live Help...I need to get rid of that hyperlink for this site. When I load the left.htm, it looks similar, but isn't the same. When I look at a page, I see this: <!--Begin Navigational Buttons--> <tr> <td ROWSPAN="150" ALIGN="LEFT" VALIGN="TOP"><br> </td> But nothing is there. When I load the page in front page and do a preview, then it looks absolutely nothing like the live version. When I load it in visual interdev, I see this: <td bgcolor="#999999" align="center"><font face="Verdana" size="1"><b><a href="javascript:former()"><NOSCRIPT></a><A HREF="http://pear.facetime.net/HTMLgw/htmlgw/startSession?ftService=deeinc" target="_blank"></NOSCRIPT>Live Help</a> That is what I wish to get rid of on each page, but I do not want to go into every page to modify the contents to get rid of ti. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 9:47:54 Are you sure you have the latest version of the site. If it's that old did the person that was working on it have a more up to date version. If your left htm is different then I would say it's not the live one. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 9:58:32 I know i'm on the live version...I just modified a page. Actually, when i modified it in front page and saved it, I lost all of the left side and top side...all of the nav buttons and such. I'll have to load that one from a backup to get it working agian. (in reply to jaybee)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 10:09:44 When I do a front page search for "live" in the web, it pulls up multiple pages. 3/4 of the pages do not actually have "live" in the html, but am assuming it pulls it because of hte navigation that is set up...however, I see no code anywhere or anything pointing to another page. (in reply to dzirkelb1)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 10:37:38 OK here's radical for you, all the site is htm. The main page of the site is htm and contains what I would expect in the way of MS borders. The page you have is asp and looks remarkably like some of the e-commerce code. Are you sure that bit of the site was built with FP? _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 10:40:19 I have no idea what it was built with...could be fp or could be interdev. If its interdev, then why does not all of the code show up in front page? It was created back around 2/21/03 (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 10:45:58 I'm just wondering if it was built using something like this. It would answer why it's all so weird and why you seem to be missing bits. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 10:51:43 There is a chance that it was...I'll ask the bossman to see if he knows. http://www.dee-inc.com/netstore/folder.gif that is a screenshot of the folders in the web....anything stick out at ya? (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 11:01:49 Can't get the page to load. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 11:02:59 Someone is rebooting the server (the site gets hit like twice a day) It shoudl be up now. The default.htm is just a redirect to the asp so we could have tags and stuff in there it seems for search engines. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 11:10:20 Take a look at these hosting plans. Down the bottom they provide the option to use Netstore. I think maybe that's what you've got, in which case you either mod the menu through store admin and remove the live option that way or you hack around in some asp code that's on your machine somewhere. If it is a store package you need the docs. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 11:21:49 http://www.netstores.com/downloads/index.html _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 11:22:43 super...it more than likely was this and I highly doubt they have any docs left. Looks like I get to do each one manually! I think there is only like 20 or 30, so it won't be too bad. It'll take my boss a couple days to rummage up any info on what this site truly is. Thanks for all of your help Jaybee! (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 11:24:39 Check the page I just posted above. They're free FP add-ins and the docs are there too. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 11:31:08 I downloaded that and installed it...it asks me to create an online store an stuff. I don't think it is what I am looking for. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 11:44:23 No I wasn't saying install it, I was suggesting that it might be what you have and the documentation might be of use. On the left - Quick Start Guide ftp://ftp.netstores.com/pub/netstores/quickstart/frontpage.pdf _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 11:50:57 Ahh, I c. I looked at that and it all coexists with the program in which you download / install...nothing about the frames or nav bars. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14445 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 12:27:56 Mmmmmm it may of course be that the software has been considerably updated in 3-4 years. I'd chase your boss up and find out, or track down whoever did the site. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to dzirkelb1)


dzirkelb1 Posts: 1444 Joined: 10/5/2004 From: Cedar Rapids, Iowa Status: offline	RE: Old web created in front page - 10/19/2006 13:25:45 I'm leaving it on the bossman and the person who designed it for now...I dont think its much important, but I've already put in more time trying to figure it out than it would have been to manually change em. (in reply to jaybee)