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Nick -> Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/6/2006 13:06:47)
Hi All, My kids' computer in the basement is a HP Pavilion 513w with Celeron cpu 1.8ghz, 256mb ram and 120 gig hd. Whenever I do anything on it the ram is almost always maxed out and I want to either add ram or buy another computer all together. The question is which is the smartest thing to do? To max out ram I have found I can get 2gb for approx $300.00 online. Seems that $300 would go along way towards a new computer these days. What would you all do? Thanks, Nick

jaybee -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/6/2006 13:32:56)
It's an HP [:'(]. Buy a new one. Clean that one out, reinstall the OS and let them use it as a homework machine or something.

Spooky -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/6/2006 14:22:27)
DONT buy 2 gb of ram, you will not get the performance increase for the money, For a celery 1.8, be happy with it running 512mb (or just as a backup pc for the kids) Why is it always maxed? too many background programs running? A fresh windows install would do wonders if the normal housekeeping doesnt help. I cleaned out my sisters laptop recently, and found there were over 2 gb of temporarty files and other cached items. The registry shrunk by over 40% when cleaned out..... eg : go start > run >and type %temp% Press enter. What youll see is a whole load of temporary files that should / could be deleted. There are many housekeeping items you can do prior to a reinstall.

Nick -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/6/2006 19:54:37)
Spooky, Can I just 'select all' (temp files) and delete them, because there are a ton of them on their computer! Second question, 512k memory is the best a celeron computer can handle? Nick

Spooky -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/6/2006 20:09:25)
Yep, that will work. If you arent sure, send them to the recycle bin first. Once cleaned out though, you should defrag the PC Have you also run various spyware programs to be sure thats not using resources? Are there a lot of icons in the taskbar that arent needed? 512 isnt the max, but Im talking bang for your buck. Its not going to be a rocketship anyway, so would work quite happily on 512 if you dont multitask many programs at once. You wont see any reasonable speed increase after that anyway

Nick -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/6/2006 20:31:24)
Spooky, Running Spysweeper, and Aol/Kaspersky virus protection daily. Also sweep with adaware too. Have a internet filter for the kids on this computer but right now I have it disabled and still see available ram down to 4k... hmmm, what is sucking memory? Did an analyze for defragging and says it does not need to be defragged. I attempt to defrag all our computers once a month unless it tells me it doesn't need it. It had 680 temp files three of which would not delete. Still no help. I have only two active programs running spy and virus protection. The best I see with only those is 60k free. Loading FF knocked me down to 9800. Now with just FF on it is sitting at about 49000 available. Nick

Spooky -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/6/2006 22:50:09)
Perhaps run hijack this? That way we can see the running processes http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,23258-order,1-page,1-c,antispywaretools/description.html

Nick -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/7/2006 13:39:57)
Ran Hijackthis (here are results of which mean very little to me, [over my head]): Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1 Scan saved at 9:25:24 AM, on 11/7/2006 Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600) MSIE: Internet Explorer v7.00 (7.00.5730.0011) Running processes: C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe C:\Program Files\AOL\Active Virus Shield\avp.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\CTsvcCDA.EXE C:\Program Files\ContentWatch\Internet Protection\ContentProtect\cwsvc.exe C:\WINDOWS\wanmpsvc.exe C:\Program Files\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\SpySweeper.exe C:\Program Files\ContentWatch\Internet Protection\gui\cwcptray.exe C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_03\bin\jusched.exe C:\Program Files\Viewpoint\Viewpoint Manager\ViewMgr.exe C:\Program Files\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\SpySweeperUI.exe C:\Program Files\AOL\Active Virus Shield\avp.exe C:\Program Files\Creative\MediaSource\Detector\CTDetect.exe C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\FINDFAST.EXE C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA.EXE C:\WINDOWS\system32\taskmgr.exe C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe C:\Program Files\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\SSU.EXE C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\My Documents\HijackThis.exe R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.myspace.com/ R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Default_Search_URL = http://srch-us6.hpwis.com/ R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Bar = http://srch-us6.hpwis.com/ R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Search Page = http://srch-us6.hpwis.com/ R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://us6.hpwis.com/ R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,SearchAssistant = http://srch-us6.hpwis.com/ R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,CustomizeSearch = http://srch-us6.hpwis.com/ R1 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings,ProxyOverride = localhost R3 - URLSearchHook: (no name) - - (no file) O2 - BHO: AcroIEHlprObj Class - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 5.0\Reader\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.ocx O3 - Toolbar: hp toolkit - {B2847E28-5D7D-4DEB-8B67-05D28BCF79F5} - 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Global Startup: hp center.lnk = C:\Program Files\hp center\137903\Program\BackWeb-137903.exe O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Find Fast.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\FINDFAST.EXE O4 - Global Startup: Office Startup.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA.EXE O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {85d1f590-48f4-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66} - %windir%\bdoscandel.exe (file missing) O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Uninstall BitDefender Online Scanner v8 - {85d1f590-48f4-11d9-9669-0800200c9a66} - %windir%\bdoscandel.exe (file missing) O9 - Extra button: AIM - {AC9E2541-2814-11d5-BC6D-00B0D0A1DE45} - C:\Program Files\AIM\aim.exe O9 - Extra button: Free Surfer - {AFC3FA82-AD07-45cd-8B57-983435B9899E} - C:\Program Files\Free Surfer\FS20.exe O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Free Surfer - {AFC3FA82-AD07-45cd-8B57-983435B9899E} - C:\Program Files\Free Surfer\FS20.exe O9 - Extra button: Real.com - {CD67F990-D8E9-11d2-98FE-00C0F0318AFE} - C:\WINDOWS\system32\Shdocvw.dll O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - %windir%\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe (file missing) O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: @xpsp3res.dll,-20001 - {e2e2dd38-d088-4134-82b7-f2ba38496583} - %windir%\Network Diagnostic\xpnetdiag.exe (file missing) O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\cwlsp.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\cwlsp.dll O10 - Unknown file in Winsock LSP: c:\windows\system32\cwlsp.dll O11 - Options group: [INTERNATIONAL] International* O12 - Plugin for .spop: C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\Plugins\NPDocBox.dll O16 - DPF: {17492023-C23A-453E-A040-C7C580BBF700} (Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool) - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?linkid=39204 O16 - DPF: {1D4DB7D2-6EC9-47A3-BD87-1E41684E07BB} - http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/nocache/funwebproducts/ei/CursorManiaFWBInitialSetup1.0.0.15.cab O16 - DPF: {5D86DDB5-BDF9-441B-9E9E-D4730F4EE499} (BDSCANONLINE Control) - http://download.bitdefender.com/resources/scan8/oscan8.cab O16 - DPF: {6E32070A-766D-4EE6-879C-DC1FA91D2FC3} (MUWebControl Class) - http://update.microsoft.com/microsoftupdate/v6/V5Controls/en/x86/client/muweb_site.cab?1130297338248 O16 - DPF: {87056D28-9730-4A47-B9F9-7E890B62C58A} (WildfireActiveXHost Class) - http://aolsvc.aol.com/onlinegames/ghtumblebugs/axhost.cab O16 - DPF: {B12213CD-4189-415D-A054-7999528459F7} (pixelStormLauncher Class) - http://aolsvc.aol.com/onlinegames/tryrumblecube/pixelstormlauncher.cab O16 - DPF: {DF780F87-FF2B-4DF8-92D0-73DB16A1543A} (PopCapLoader Object) - http://aolsvc.aol.com/onlinegames/bejeweled2/popcaploader_v10.cab O20 - Winlogon Notify: CwWLEvent - C:\Program Files\ContentWatch\internet protection\common\cwplc001.dll O20 - Winlogon Notify: igfxcui - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\igfxsrvc.dll O20 - Winlogon Notify: klogon - C:\WINDOWS\system32\klogon.dll O20 - Winlogon Notify: WgaLogon - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WgaLogon.dll O20 - Winlogon Notify: WRNotifier - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\WRLogonNTF.dll O23 - Service: Active Virus Shield (AVP) - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\AOL\Active Virus Shield\avp.exe" -r (file missing) O23 - Service: Creative Service for CDROM Access - Creative Technology Ltd - C:\WINDOWS\system32\CTsvcCDA.EXE O23 - Service: ContentProtect (CwCpSvc20) - ContentWatch, Inc. - C:\Program Files\ContentWatch\Internet Protection\ContentProtect\cwsvc.exe O23 - Service: NVIDIA Driver Helper Service (NVSvc) - NVIDIA Corporation - C:\WINDOWS\System32\nvsvc32.exe O23 - Service: Sandra Data Service (SandraDataSrv) - SiSoftware - C:\Program Files\SiSoftware\SiSoftware Sandra Lite 2007.SP1\Win32\RpcDataSrv.exe O23 - Service: Sandra Service (SandraTheSrv) - SiSoftware - C:\Program Files\SiSoftware\SiSoftware Sandra Lite 2007.SP1\RpcSandraSrv.exe O23 - Service: WAN Miniport (ATW) Service (WANMiniportService) - America Online, Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\wanmpsvc.exe O23 - Service: Webroot Spy Sweeper Engine (WebrootSpySweeperService) - Webroot Software, Inc. - C:\Program Files\Webroot\Spy Sweeper\SpySweeper.exe

ou812 -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/7/2006 14:47:49)
Since I don't like reading through hijack this files, I use this: http://hjt.networktechs.com/ It does a decent job of analyzing your report. I pasted your's in and it doesn't like your "c:\windows\system32\cwlsp.dll", and then some other minor things too. <edit> reading around a bit about cwlsp.dll, it doesn't seem to be a threat. But, I would still look into it to make sure ( http://www.fbmsoftware.com/spyware-net/Process/cwlsp_dll/3420/ )</edit>

Spooky -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/7/2006 14:58:37)
From the quick look I had, Find fast is quite a resource hog, I would loose that: C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\FINDFAST.EXE These dont need to be running either C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA.EXE C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_03\bin\jusched.exe Not too sure what sore of hog AOL is, but Im guessing youll still need those

jaybee -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/7/2006 15:07:39)
Take a look in your start up folder too and get rid of anything you don't need. Spooky's right though, get rid of fast find and if you have that daft office toolbar on your desktop kill that too. You also seem to have some game controllers and extra toolbars?

Nick -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/7/2006 15:23:19)
Ok, I love being the village idiot... I can check all three of these programs after running a hijack scan, but how do I delete them? I don't see a delete button nor does my delete button on keyboard do anything. Nick

Nick -> RE: Upgrade Ram or Buy New Computer (11/7/2006 15:38:00)
Hey Brian, That dll is a component of our internet filter (Content Protect) for our hormonal 16 year old. Thanks for checking my file for me though! Going to look at the link you provided. Nick

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