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TODDMAN Posts: 64 Joined: 6/13/2001 From: Derby, KS Status: offline	.mobi TLD design - 11/16/2006 17:14:07 Has anybody programed/design with the new .mobi TLD? if so, what are you using? _____________________________ Later, TODDMAN www.toddman.com


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/16/2006 18:18:08 What do you mean what am I using? To design? Notepad or HTMLKit. Standards compliant XHTML and CSS with media="handheld" stylesheet. Have fun. You need a fluid site as they're all different widths from 300px wide down to approx 120px. Remove images too costly to download. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to TODDMAN)


TODDMAN Posts: 64 Joined: 6/13/2001 From: Derby, KS Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/16/2006 21:56:59 DW8 supports "XHTML Mobile 1.0" format, I didn't see any support from FP2003. When saving your page, do you use index.html or index.xhtml? --Thanks, _____________________________ Later, TODDMAN www.toddman.com (in reply to jaybee)


womble Posts: 5721 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 5:38:25 XHTML uses the same .html file extension as other versions of HTML. _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to TODDMAN)


Tailslide Posts: 6368 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: online	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 6:17:07 Oh oh oh Miss (puts hand up). The Blessed Cameron Moll is writing a book about how to produce sites for mobiles but using the expected level of standards compliance etc: http://mobilewebbook.com/index.php _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to womble)


Donkey Posts: 3929 Joined: 11/13/2001 From: Blackfield United Kingdom Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 6:43:28 I doubt if mobiles are worth farting around with. 3G phones which were heralded as the next big web thing have been a dismal failure (in the UK at least) virtually nobody is using them to access the internet, they are mostly being used to receive and make phone calls. The companies that invested such a huge amount of money in setting up 3G web services (mainly paying the government inflated prices for the licenses) are all losing a fortune on it. Consumers are not prepared to pay through the nose to use these very small screens. I believe it is probably worth setting up a style sheet to produce a very simple version of your web site i.e. just one page with no pictures and only contact details and leave it at that. _____________________________ I have a higher and grander standard of principle than George Washington. He could not lie; I can, but I won't. Samuel Clemens (in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6368 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: online	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 6:48:25 With a handheld stylesheet you can have your whole site "mobilified" rather than bother with a separate single page site for mobiles - just, as you say, simplified - no images for instance. Not all mobile devices understand handheld stylesheets - but more and more do. _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to Donkey)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 6:56:50 Tail, it looks like we're the trailblazers here. What she said.... One site, 3 stylesheets - default, hi-vis, small screen. You don't go faffing about making separate pages. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Tailslide)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 7:00:13 quote: When saving your page, do you use index.html or index.xhtml? I use .htm mainly because I'm too lazy to type all the extra l s. Most hosts accept that. If not and you're on Unix hosting you can use .htaccess to tell the server to parse any extension you want as any other extension. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


Donkey Posts: 3929 Joined: 11/13/2001 From: Blackfield United Kingdom Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 9:37:43 quote: One site, 3 stylesheets - default, hi-vis, small screen. You don't go faffing about making separate pages. I wouldn't make a separate page but I would use the small screen sheet to limit the site to one page with contact info only. IMHO (and the limited take up of web services on hand-helds backs me up) there's no point in worrying too much because virtually no one is going to be using a hand held device to browse your site. _____________________________ I have a higher and grander standard of principle than George Washington. He could not lie; I can, but I won't. Samuel Clemens (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 10:29:36 OK, I'll tell Harv and his Co-Engineers that they're not allowed to surf the web on these things. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Donkey)


TODDMAN Posts: 64 Joined: 6/13/2001 From: Derby, KS Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 10:37:53 quote: ORIGINAL: Donkey quote: there's no point in worrying too much because virtually no one is going to be using a hand held device to browse your site. They said somthing simular about the computer & look what The Woz & Gates brought us, oh & Jobs. Thanks everyone for the info. This is just a fun project on the side to play with, maybe displaying info on our local High School soccer team @ www.WhereIsMy.mobi OT: What happen to the spell checkr? _____________________________ Later, TODDMAN www.toddman.com (in reply to Donkey)


Tailslide Posts: 6368 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: online	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 10:52:45 waht spill chocker? _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to TODDMAN)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 10:55:50 It's sick. Download Firefox 2, there's one built in. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Tailslide)


TODDMAN Posts: 64 Joined: 6/13/2001 From: Derby, KS Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 11:06:49 I'm waiting for FireFox 2 to be fix'd, it would be nice if I could use my Google toolbar. OBTW I signed up for The Blessed Cameron Moll book. Thanks, TailSlide Hey the "Check Spelling" button shows up when you do an edit, no worky tho. < Message edited by TODDMAN -- 11/17/2006 11:15:18 > _____________________________ Later, TODDMAN www.toddman.com (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 11:31:47 quote: I'm waiting for FireFox 2 to be fix'd It's working fine on all the machines here. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to TODDMAN)


TODDMAN Posts: 64 Joined: 6/13/2001 From: Derby, KS Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 12:12:24 I'll upgrade my FireFox in Dec., waiting for the bugs to be worked out. (in reply to jaybee)


caz Posts: 3626 Joined: 10/10/2001 From: Somewhere south of Chester, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 16:08:44 What bugs? I have not noticed any in the latest release. Oops, and staying on topic have a look at the .mobi guidelines here _____________________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will dance, or more on your keyboard. Cheshire cat. www.doracat.co.uk I remember when it took less than 4hrs to fly across the Atlantic. (in reply to TODDMAN)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 16:42:54 The only bug I've found is in Opera and that was when I was using the small screen renderer to check out a .mobi web site. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to caz)


TODDMAN Posts: 64 Joined: 6/13/2001 From: Derby, KS Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 19:02:50 Nothing major, just waiting for the dust to settle, but if you must here's a Googleit. http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=firefox+2+bug _____________________________ Later, TODDMAN www.toddman.com (in reply to jaybee)


womble Posts: 5721 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/17/2006 19:23:05 I suspect that's prolly not 1/10th of the bugs IE7's got, and you can bet they'll be fixed a damned sight faster as well. _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to TODDMAN)


caz Posts: 3626 Joined: 10/10/2001 From: Somewhere south of Chester, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/18/2006 4:52:54 quote: By contrast, Microsoft's Internet Explorer 7 update suffers from a spoofing flaw, discovered a week after Microsoft released IE7 on 18 October. The vulnerability could help crooks mask phishing scams, the type of attack Microsoft designed the browser to thwart. MS go on to say that whatever it is it's not a flaw but by design... _____________________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will dance, or more on your keyboard. Cheshire cat. www.doracat.co.uk I remember when it took less than 4hrs to fly across the Atlantic. (in reply to womble)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/18/2006 5:14:02 To be honest, given the IE track record, I'd rather put my faith in FF. Sure it has some bugs, no software that complex will ever be completely clean but as has been said, when bugs are found they get fixed fast whereas the IE bugs can take months. Don't get me wrong, I think IE7 is a huge improvement over what's gone before but let's face it, it's a patched IE6. You've got to wait for IE8 for new architecture and lets not forget that MS are now working with the Mozilla guys. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to caz)


Tailslide Posts: 6368 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: online	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/18/2006 7:25:06 Far as I've read even IE8 won't understand XHTML so it ain't going to be that different! Anyone who says FF doesn't have bugs is fooling themselves - the difference is that they get fixed, fast. _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to jaybee)


womble Posts: 5721 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: .mobi TLD design - 11/18/2006 20:24:21 Not that I've tried FF2.0 yet, but found this useful guide to tweaks on my web travels tonight - http://tech.cybernetnews.com/2006/11/01/cybernotes-cybernets-updated-guide-on-firefox-2-tweaks/ _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to Tailslide)