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queenofdreamsz Posts: 18 Joined: 12/8/2006 Status: offline	Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/14/2006 13:56:35 Hey there, I use Frontpage 2003. I have all of my webpages and images saved in the same folder. All of my webpages are not finished but there are so many image files involved. I am wanting to go on and upload image files...and then as webpages are finished then upload them. I use Siteground.com as my host and they say to upload into my public_html folder. One question is: Do I create a new folder within the public_html for all of my website files to upload to? or just let them mix in with the other files that are there? I would make sense to keep it organized.... I had even wondered if it would work to upload all the images into one folder and the webpages into another....within the public_html folder. I use the File Manager within Cpanel to manage all of my files online. There is also a "upload" files link right in the file manager that can be used... Can someone give me an example of an upload from frontpage 2003....I'll be uploading to: ftp://www.dreamkingdom.us However, it says to upload to the public_html folder....so does that path become part of the upload address when publishing from Frontpage? I know this should be a simple process and would really like to do this the right way the first time to avoid chaos and confusion! LOL Hope to hear from someone soon! Peace, Stephanie


womble Posts: 5721 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/14/2006 14:20:42 Yep, you can make as many sub-folders as you like to organise stuff within your public_html page, but anything you want to be publicly viewable has to be within that folder or it's sub-folders. Usually your main index.html page needs to be within the public_html folder, but any other pages and images or whatever can be within any sub-folder you like, as long as the file paths are correct of course. While you can either use an ftp client or your hosting's cPanel to upload files, if you're using any of the Frontpage components (image galleries, forms etc.), you'll need to 'publish' from within Frontpage because using ftp or uploading through your control panel can corrupt the Frontpage Server Extensions that make all FP's little widgets work. As for file structure for your site, I usually use something like: (within public_html) index.html (other pages as well here) Folders: -images -scripts -files (any attached files such as Word docs, pdfs etc.) -styles How you organise your folder structure though's up to you as long as it makes sense to you and you know where to find files when you need them. Welcome to OF btw! _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to queenofdreamsz)


queenofdreamsz Posts: 18 Joined: 12/8/2006 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/14/2006 16:38:54 Thanks Womble, I understood what you just told me! LOL Now, since I do have some contact forms that are generated with Frontpage I must publish those from Frontpage.. I understand.. Now, with these contact forms I've made I believe it said it creates a folder at my server that I can check for any customer requests. I had wanted to be notified by email...is there a way to do that with these contact forms? When uploading these contact pages I can have them go into a folder within public_html also? So anything I upload to folders within the public_html folder my upload for example would be: ftp://www.dreamkingdom.us/public_html/images (if I create a image subfolder) and for my index page and other webpages just upload them with the path: ftp://www.dreamkingdom.us/public_html Thanks for taking the time to confirm this for me Peace, Stephanie (in reply to womble)


womble Posts: 5721 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/14/2006 16:56:29 Yep, but don't use the ftp in Frontpage - you need to use 'publish' for the whole site, not just the forms. If you've already used ftp, you'll probably need to reinstall your Frontpage extensions because any ftp-ing will corrupt them and you'll probably have problems with your forms. You should be able to do it through your cPanel (there's usually a 'Frontpage extensions' option - it's as simple as press the 'install FP extensions' button/link). If your permissions aren't set up for you to do that and you can't, you'll need to get your hosts to do it for you. With FP forms you can have responses sent to file and by email - I can't remember how to do that now (it's ages since I've used FP), but there's a forms tutorial here on OF IIRC (links on the blue bar right at the top of the page). Frontpage forms aren't the most secure forms in the world though, and you might want to look into a more secure alternative, but most require some delving into the code. HTH _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to queenofdreamsz)


queenofdreamsz Posts: 18 Joined: 12/8/2006 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/14/2006 17:22:18 Hey Womble, I haven't uploaded anything yet and I've installed the frontpage extensions at my host. Ok, so I should just use publish from frontpage for anything and everything....having the frontpage extentions installed at the server is what is allowing the publish from frontpage to work at my server? Makes sense....so any ftping of frontpage files will corrupt? What about all the .gif and .jpeg images? They are not frontpage files....just curious.. Now, about the contact forms...I'll look for the tutorial on how to change the setting for emailing me the results. Ok, why is the form not secure? Are you saying it can be intercepted? I've looked at other contact forms and didn't understand what I needed to do so that's why I used the frontpage form...if you know of any easy to understand scripts for contact forms please post a link if you don't mind. Thanks again,Stephanie (in reply to womble)


womble Posts: 5721 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/14/2006 18:22:35 The extensions are the bit that work the Frontpage components - image gallery, forms etc. - anything in the code if you look in either the code or split view where it says <!--- webbot [whatever] ----> That's the bits that work with the extensions. I'm afraid that's more or less the extent of my knowledge about how the extensions work - it's a while since I ditched FP for my sites and I rarely personally come across them these days. Your image files will be fine using publish - they'll be part of your FP 'web' and they publish along with everything else when you publish a web through FP. As for the forms, Frontpage forms are rather susceptible to getting spammed. Unless you're using a secure system, I don't think they can ever really be fully secure. This page though explains a bit about how forms in general are processed. As for form scripts, probably the ultimate in spam-proofing is Mike Cherim's accessible and spam proof form which as well as 16 ways of stopping spammers in their tracks has good instructions and is fairly easy to set up, but you do need to get into the code. Another one I used for a long time is PHP Dynaform, but again you do need to get into the code and encrypt your email address, as I discovered to my cost on a site where I forgot to. Anyhow, here's my "useful form stuff" list: PHP Dynaform: http://www.webligo.com/products_dynaform.php Form2Mail: http://www.web4future.com/easiest-form2mail.htm Response-O-Matic: http://www.response-o-matic.com/index.html (quite a nice one, but only one form per account on the free version) Mycontactform.com: http://www.mycontactform.com/index.php Forms to Go: http://www.bebosoft.com/products/formstogo/ Website contact form generator: http://www.tele-pro.co.uk/scripts/contact_form/ PHPForms web form builder: http://phpforms.net/index.html FormMail Form Generator: http://www.thepcmanwebsite.com/form_mail.shtml Ed Kinittel's Form-O-Matic: http://www.tastypopsicle.com/formomatic/ Other Stuff More secure version of FormMail: http://nms-cgi.sourceforge.net/scripts.shtml Accessible forms: HiSoftware Accessible Form Creator: http://www.hisoftware.com/access/valueadd9.html Accessible Forms: http://www.websemantics.co.uk/tutorials/accessible_forms/ Man in Blue: Accessible Forms - http://themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2004/03/24/ Juicy Studio: Accessible Forms and JS validation - http://juicystudio.com/article/dom-screen-readers.php Web Usability: Accessible Forms: http://www.usability.com.au/resources/forms.cfm ....and of course http://frontpageforms.com/ (though I've just tried that link and it appears to be down) _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to queenofdreamsz)


queenofdreamsz Posts: 18 Joined: 12/8/2006 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/14/2006 18:52:10 Hey there, I bought a standard SSL for my site at my host siteground.com.....I've haven't used it yet but would that protect the frontpage forms? If I find a contact form that I like can you guide me through making the code change to encrypt it? I'm willing to pay for this service if you are willing to help me... I'll be very glad when I learn more...LOL And BTW, what webpage program do you use? I've heard that 1st Page 2006 is pretty good...I tryed to download it but the files were corrupted. Thanks again, Stephanie (in reply to womble)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/14/2006 19:12:47 quote: I tryed to download it but the files were corrupted. Errrrr don't think it's that good then Most of the pros on here don't use FP or any of the WYSIWYG editors. We hand code in HTML as it's quicker for us when working with CSS. There are some exceptions though who do use FP exclusively. What you use depends on your level of skill and what you already have vs budget. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to queenofdreamsz)


queenofdreamsz Posts: 18 Joined: 12/8/2006 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/14/2006 23:33:22 quote: ORIGINAL: jaybee Most of the pros on here don't use FP or any of the WYSIWYG editors. Jaybee, Isn't this a Forum for Frontpage users? Also, I believe I'm in the section of the forum for "Beginning Web Design"....LOL I am a novice and therefore selected Frontpage as a beginning. I can appreciate your experience so please appreciate my novice....LOL I need help in the most basic things right now.... if you have read any of my previous post. Now..I have another question that I'm sure you can answer I own the PHP cubecart....however, I decided not to use it since it was another learning curve that I don't have the time for yet...anyway, I did do alot of layout work on it and would like to download my files from my host to my hard drive so I can use it as a learning tool. What steps do I need to take to do that? Also, which editor can I use to edit the design? All that I own is Frontpage 2003.... Are there any free (user frienldy) PHP editors for download?....Remember I'm a novice and on top of that I'm a designer and am very visual so I prefer graphical inferface along with code. Thanks so much for your help, Peace, Stephanie (in reply to jaybee)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 1:45:04 quote: Are there any free (user frienldy) PHP editors for download?....Remember I'm a novice and on top of that I'm a designer and am very visual so I prefer graphical inferface along with code. Hi Stephanie, a few of the PHPers here use HTML Kit, it's free Apparently FrontPage does not handle PHP script very well, so it is worth looking at alternatives now. Keep in mind that no matter what you use, if you need to script you will have to learn the code (or learn enough to copy, paste and hack anyway ). As a HTML web editor FrontPage does a fine job. You will get a lot more out of it though if you learn a bit about html and start working in code view from time to time. I use FrontPage 90% of the time, there nothing wrong with it if you know how it works and what you should not do (hint, never, ever paste from Word or Excel into FrontPage and don't use the drawing objects or WordArt etc ) In saying that I use FrontPage most of the time, keep in mind that I've never been near a PHP script and have no intention of learning (have to use ASP and CFM for work and that is all my brain can cope with). _____________________________ Sally (in reply to queenofdreamsz)


queenofdreamsz Posts: 18 Joined: 12/8/2006 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 3:28:00 Hey there Sally, Thanks for the encouragement I have been using Frontpage 2003 since October of this year....seriously, that is...I have always used it to type my auction descriptions then paste into Turbo Lister... I have basic knowledge of html and that is from reading books, online reading and working in Design view and then going to look at the code that is generated. Cut and Paste is a wonderful thing..LOL I looked at the HTML-Kit tonight....it looks very nice and very visual. I am about to finish the 7th or 8th webpage of my website....it will become a very large site in time It's very time consuming having the learning curve as I go.... but it's looking very professional and I'm happy with it. However, I would rather be sewing...LOL Thanks for the warning about pasting from Word and not using the Word Art... I purchased the Cubecart back in July without doing my research first...never could make it look the way I wanted my site to look so I trashed it about 2 months ago and started designing in Frontpage. But I decided since so much went into the Cubecart that I would find an editor and use the template to be a learning tool....I figure since I've paid for it I may as well let PHP be the next learning curve...at some point...LOL You may be able to answer something...I want to download my Cube files from my server to my hard drive.....Do you know how I can do that? Again, thanks for the encouragement....I'll post my site when I get it up and running... Peace, Stephanie dreamkingdom.us (coming soon!) for the Artist Within� (in reply to rubyaim)


womble Posts: 5721 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 5:29:26 Stephanie, there are many online tools for encoding email addresses - these are just a few of them - they're all simple to use and it's just a question of copying and pasting the code: SPAMproof your email address - http://www.siteup.com/encoder.html Combating email harvester robots - email obfuscation: http://www.seowebsitepromotion.com/obfuscate_email.asp Email address encoder: http://www.wbwip.com/wbw/emailencoder.html As for PHP, if you're working only in design view and have only a basic understanding of HTML, don't even attempt it. You can't do PHP in the design view of any WYSIWYG editor - various editors such as HTML-kit have support for PHP, but if you're working with PHP that's all in code view and you need to have a good understanding of HTML before you start to tackle PHP. PHP is a server side scripting language, and is a whole different ball game from HTML. Yes, the HTML portions of templates can be edited, but you as Sally says, you need to know your way around HTML. CubeCart (at least the latest version) uses XHTML and CSS, and if you're going to start editing templates, you'll need to know XHTML and CSS, and that can't be done overnight. _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to queenofdreamsz)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 6:44:34 quote: Isn't this a Forum for Frontpage users? Also, I believe I'm in the section of the forum for "Beginning Web Design"....LOL I am a novice and therefore selected Frontpage as a beginning. Yes, it is a forum for FP users, most of us have used it in the past and may even still have a copy on our machines. We help people who are stuck but that doesn't mean we use it for developing our sites. FP is a good tool for beginners due to the WYSIWYG nature of it but as you're starting to find out, when you advance to working with things like CubeCart and PHP then it won't do as a tool. I and many others find it much quicker to go into the code and write the HTML direct. As we also write PHP and javascript it's pointless for us to use FP as we end up doing more work when FP has trashed our PHP code for us. I currently use HTMLKit but I'm always looking for better options. Given the chance I'd happily use Microsoft's new replacement for FrontPage, Expression Web, but again, it does some very odd things to PHP code. As Sally says FP is fine as long as you're using it for what it's meant to be used for. You might find help at www.w3schools.com for further learning. Sooooo another Ebayer who had decided to advance into the world of their own shop. I've just finished a Zen Cart set-up for a client who is doing the same. If I have one warning for you, aside from getting the shop up and running.... Remember it's not EBAY. You will need to give yourself plenty of time to get all the options set up right BEFORE you even think about putting your products in. You are responsible for setting up all the currencies, shipping details, languages, option basics, payment gateways, SSL certificate etc. so don't rush it. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to womble)


Tailslide Posts: 6368 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: online	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 7:37:34 quote: ORIGINAL: queenofdreamsz Isn't this a Forum for Frontpage users? Oh god it's not is it? Right, I'm off! _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to queenofdreamsz)


womble Posts: 5721 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 7:59:42 _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to Tailslide)


rubyaim Posts: 757 Joined: 6/22/2005 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 15:23:22 quote: You may be able to answer something...I want to download my Cube files from my server to my hard drive.....Do you know how I can do that? Hi Stephanie, you should be able to use FTP for that. I use FileZilla - it is free, but you may already have one. You can use FTP via FrontPage as well (unfortunatley I can't help with that as I've never tried it). Don't be put off creating your website - keep playing and you will be fine. If you are looking at it in code view already then you are ahead of many About the only thing that FrontPage does not do well is PHP and most tools are as good as the user You might like to consider getting someone to do the intitial set-up of your shopping cart - this need to be done properly and the time it would take you might not be worth it. Once it has been setup you could probably take over maintenance. _____________________________ Sally (in reply to queenofdreamsz)


queenofdreamsz Posts: 18 Joined: 12/8/2006 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 18:08:39 Rubyaim, I'm either going to use romancart or paypal shopping cart at this point......they are html driven so I can do that If you know of some better ecommerce solutions that I can integrate with my website PLEASE let me know... The cubecart seems to be a perfect solution for the folks that know PHP, javascript and html.....along with the fact that I realized the bare bones "as is" cart lacked alot of functionality and plus my head was swimming with backups and updates to the cart everytime I turned around.... So having said that I can set up my product layout....I just need an easy to use shopping cart that will generate the "buy" code and other product options code to paste into my pages..... (that is why I'm considering the Romancart).The cubecart seems to be in constant development and need updates and modules to make it function properly. The Cubecart forums are full of third party developers supplying the add-in modules to make it function better....however, the more modules you add the more you need to get into the files and then when update time comes from Cubecart.com you better know how to keep all the mods from conflicting with the update! Oh my God...my head's spinning again...RITFLOL I realize that alot of the carts are constantly under development...but there's got to be some out there that is already developed and has all the bells and whistles included...I can handle updates as long as it's not that often and is user friendly. Please help me in this area if you know of one...I can link my content pages to product area with cart if I can find one that I can manage without stressing so bad...LOL If anyone has feedback about Romancart or the Paypal cart please let me know what you think. Peace, Stephanie (in reply to rubyaim)


queenofdreamsz Posts: 18 Joined: 12/8/2006 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 18:19:54 quote: ORIGINAL: jaybee [You are responsible for setting up all the currencies, shipping details, languages, option basics, payment gateways, SSL certificate etc. so don't rush it. Hey there, Yes, I've learned alot in the past 5 months...LOL All of the above stuff to take care of was part of the reason I choose something like cubecart so I wouldn't have to know how to do it Of course, it didn't take me long to realize I had accomplished alot by the cart having all these functions build in and then I soon realized the shortcomings and of course I once again was in that "blissful ignorance" state of mind! Whoo HOO!!! So now I'm at the educated state of knowing I need a shopping cart that has excellent user support and for the most part already well developed with all the bells and whistles. I am a seeker of knowledge so I am eating up all I can to get this going....I have wanted my website for about 5 years but never has the time or money to do it and now I do so the learning has commenced! I really appreciate all of the feedback and support....Anything you feel could help me out I'd be happy to hear about. Peace, Stephanie (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 21:22:10 All shopping carts are under permanent development. If they're not it means they are probably on their way out. Software has to be kept up to date with changes in Operating systems, upgrades to PHP, ASP etc and there are always hackers coming up with new ways to attack carts to try and get their hands on customer info. If you don't want to deal with all of that then Paypal is probably the best way for you to go. It's very basic but you just plug buttons into your page. If you want stock control or have many products then I wouldn't recommend it. BTW, Zen Cart comes with all the bells and whistles built in and I always thought Cube Cart had pretty much everything you'd expect. Mind you, I haven't worked with CC for a couple of years, I'll have to go check it out again. PS. Stay clear of OSCommerce. You'll never figure that one out. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to queenofdreamsz)


queenofdreamsz Posts: 18 Joined: 12/8/2006 Status: offline	RE: Need Help Uploading Images & Webpages - 12/15/2006 21:49:40 quote: ORIGINAL: jaybee All shopping carts are under permanent development. If they're not it means they are probably on their way out. BTW, Zen Cart comes with all the bells and whistles built in and I always thought Cube Cart had pretty much everything you'd expect. Mind you, I haven't worked with CC for a couple of years, I'll have to go check it out again. Hey there, Yes, it makes sense that carts have to continually develop after bringing up the fact of hackers always trying to steal something. I had my cubecart template customized but I never was totally satisfied with it....I had planned to do html pages with hyperlinks to different areas of the cubecart which was going to work just fine. That way I would have a homepage and information pages design that I had total control over in the design of it. I think I overdosed one weekend when the fck editor through the Admin area no longer showed any of my images on the server. I came to a halt without it working. I contacted Cubecart.com for support and they responded to me as if I knew what I was doing..LOL after I plainly told them I didn't even know how to back up my files much less do the cart updates that were available... Anyway, instead of mentally cracking up I decided to try just doing everything html.....Now that I'm looking at the shopping cart solution in depth I'm wondering if I should pay someone to go do my updates and fix what is wrong with my cubecart ...The main issue I have with Cubecart is that is isn't a language that I know ANYTHING about! I guess if I just retain someone to maintain things as they present themselves I could be happy with it. I was informed that it was a great ecommerce solution but I also said all I knew was basic html and could I manage it myself...they said yes...so anyway, here I am trying to figure it all out. Now, while I'm picking your brain....Do you know of any Romancart users? I've looked into their site and it seems very thorough with many different plan levels....I do want inventory control and the ability to sale digital download products.... The cubecart offers all of this stuff.....I made the investment in the cubecart licence and also in template design for my business branding so now I'm trying not to make another bad decision. So I guess one question is: Do you know anyone that would mind doing minor cubecart repairs and updating for me? And the other is: What about Romancart? Thanks again for all the advise and help, Stephanie (in reply to jaybee)