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lilblackgirl Posts: 288 Joined: 5/16/2002 From: Status: offline	PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 8:47:51 I've been a lifelong user of PSP and am familiar and happy with the interface and its abilities. It works for what i need it for and it's inexpensive. But i recently upgraded to Windows Vista and PSP is not working with Vista. I can still use my old pc but it's an inconvenience. what i'm wondering is do i need to join the rest of the world and get a copy of PS and learn and use it? The price tag is a killer which is why i went with PSP originally. But do i need to grin and bear it and buy a copy of PS and use it? Also, is there a 'student's' version of PS that's maybe a little cheaper instead of spending $600? I'd love some input from those that have used both. thanks, LBG _____________________________ You look like you're about to do something stupid. I'm in.


Mike54 Posts: 4782 Joined: 3/26/2001 From: Way Up Over Status: online	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 8:57:28 Hi LBG, I too have been using PSP for some time but recently purchased a copy of PS Elements (Photoshops little brother) to give it a try. (roughly equivelent pricing to PSP) I believe it can fill in quite adequately for PSP though in honesty I prefer the results I get in PSP.;) That of course may just be that I need to work through the learning curve more. _____________________________ Who was the first guy that looked at a cow and said, "I think that I'll drink whatever comes out of those things when I squeeze them"? New photogalleries, stop by sometime. (in reply to lilblackgirl)


Tailslide Posts: 6046 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 10:08:13 I use PS Elements too - I think it has about 80% of the functionality of PS and I can do most things with it. It costs a lot less than the full programme. _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to Mike54)


treetopsranch Posts: 1025 From: Cottage Grove, OR, USA Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 10:42:54 Can't use PSP in Vista? Another reason why NOT to purchase Vista at this time. _____________________________ Don from TreeTops Ranch, Oregon "I've got a taste for quality and luxury" (in reply to Tailslide)


jaybee Posts: 14157 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 10:49:19 Whoa stop right there. Before you go spending anything at all check that it'll work with Vista. Not much does unless it's a MS product. If PSP doesn't work on Vista there's every likelihood that PS won't either. You should also know that there are some things you can do easily in PSP that you can't in PS and vice versa. I run both and depending one what I'm doing I'll switch from one to the other. Is it just that your version of PSP doesn't run? Have you been in touch with them or checked out their site? It's a heck of a lot cheaper to buy the latest PSP if necessary. Warning to others thinking of upgrading to Vista, you may need to replace a lot of software and possibly your printer, scanner etc. I'm also told that USB2 broadband routers are pretty sparsely catered for. Most UK ones won't work and there are no new drivers for them. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to treetopsranch)


jaybee Posts: 14157 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 10:51:13 quote: I prefer the results I get in PSP It depends what you're doing. For drawing I prefer PSP, for photographic work I prefer PS but I don't have elements I have the big guy. The Save for Web feature is outstanding. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)

jaybee

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RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 10:53:16

Just found this for the latest version of PSP

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Windows Vista� Support
Corel Paint Shop Pro Photo XI will support Windows Vista by providing a free service pack once Microsoft releases the new version.

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Microsoft�s Vista may have hit UK shelves last week, but few creative applications from Adobe, Autodesk and others are ready to play.

Digit spoke to many developers of software for creative professionals across graphic and Web design, motion graphics, animation, 3D and video editing -- and found that many users of such applications are going to have to wait some time before upgrading to Vista.

Vista doesn�t offer any major additions for such users, but is designed to offer a more efficient and aesthetically pleasing experience through tools such as a much improved search system, tighter security from viruses and other malware, and the Aero user interface.

Most of the major software applications in this market will install and run on Vista, according to the companies we contacted, but stable use isn�t assured and official support is rare so far.

Adobe has the largest portfolio of creative products, but none of its shipping pro-level applications or suites officially support Vista. The beta version of Photoshop CS3, which is available from the Adobe Labs Web site, is designed for Windows Vista (as well as Windows XP).

All of the products in the current Creative Suite 2.3 -- Photoshop CS2, InDesign CS2, Illustrator CS2, GoLive CS2, Acrobat 8 Professional and Dreamweaver 8 -- don�t officially support Vista, Adobe says that it isn�t "currently aware of any major issues that would adversely affect customer use" of the suite on Vista. Some minor issues have been encountered, which are covered at the company�s technical knowledgebase.

Acrobat 7 Professional, which was included with the original Creative Suite 2, will not run properly under Windows Vista. Adobe says that it will release an update for Acrobat 8 � and Adobe Reader 8 � to firm up support for Vista in the first half of 2007.

All of the other applications will be upgraded when the next versions of its pro creative applications are released in the Spring and Summer of 2007, according to Adobe.

No XPress delivery for Quark on Vista

A Quark spokesperson says that the company expects to release an update for QuarkXPress 7 within the next six months that will add support for Windows Vista -- though the company says that "we will only support QuarkXPress 7 on Windows Vista when we're confident that customers will be able to use it productively and reliably in their workflows."

Few XPress 7 users are currently using Vista, notes Quark, saying that, "by the time that our customers have had the opportunity to thoroughly test Windows Vista, QuarkXPress 7 will be officially supported on this platform."

The update will be made available free to existing users of QuarkXPress 7.

Corel ahead of the game

Corel is currently the furthest ahead with adding support for Windows Vista to its creative applications. The company has released Service Packs for both its CorelDraw Graphics Suite X3 and Paint Shop Pro Photo X1 that offer official compatibility with Vista, and the new version of Painter, announced today, also has full Vista support.

Full details of the company�s Vista plans can be found at Corel Web site.

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If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is.

GAWDS
Now where did I put that Doctype?

(in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14157 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 10:57:38 And oh dear...... quote: XP hardware still available Luckily for users in need of a new computer, workstations and laptops are still available with Windows XP from both big brands such as Dell and HP, and more specialized vendors -- and the more expensive a model is, the more likely it is to offers Windows XP as standard. HP, for example, will not be offering pre-configured workstation models with Windows Vista until April. However, Vista can be chosen as an option through the company�s online system building system -- though such systems can take up to two weeks to be delivered. From the information we�ve gathered, it�s clear that most creative professionals are going to want to wait until at least this summer -- when the first generation of Vista-ready suites should ship -- before upgrading or buying a new computer that runs Windows Vista. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


Tailslide Posts: 6046 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 11:01:57 quote: ORIGINAL: jaybee I have the big guy. bragging again! _____________________________ "My strategy is so simple an idiot could have devised it" Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Blood, Sweat & Rust - A Land Rover restoration project (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14157 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 11:05:13 _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Tailslide)


Mike54 Posts: 4782 Joined: 3/26/2001 From: Way Up Over Status: online	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 11:40:31 quote: for photographic work I prefer PS but I don't have elements I have the big guy I'm trying PSE for photographic stuff and frankly I'm not impressed with the sharpening / unsharp mask tools among others. That said, PSE does do some things that PSP doesn't (and like you said, vice versa). One effect that I'm particularly enamored of in PSP is the salt and pepper noise reduction. I've yet to find a way to accomplish the same effect in PSE. _____________________________ Who was the first guy that looked at a cow and said, "I think that I'll drink whatever comes out of those things when I squeeze them"? New photogalleries, stop by sometime. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14157 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 11:55:54 Not sure in Elements but in PS CS it's under Filters. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Mike54)


lilblackgirl Posts: 288 Joined: 5/16/2002 From: Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/14/2007 12:00:16 I didn't actually upgrade to Vista, i purchased a new PC that came with it. There was not an option to chose XP, so i went with what there was (Dell). Vista is very nice to look at and runs fairly smoothly, but there have been some issues. My first attempt at installing PSP hosed up the OS so badly that i had to actually reinstall from a ghost copy that Dell puts on a hidden partition. I had the disck for PSP 8 and a couple of months ago, d/l the PSPX upgrade. The PSP8 intall went fine, but upon installing the upgrade, file associations got hosed and all .exe assoications were changed to open with Adobe reader 8. Talk about hosing up the system. Anyway, i've not bothered to go back and try again after that snafu and i also know that Apple software is giving Vista the finger, so no itunes and the such. My hardware works fine as it came tested by Dell, but my wireless router doesn't recognize certain hardware items in the network setup in Vista. I'll keep researching and upgrading as incompatabilities are ironed out. Thanks for the input. _____________________________ You look like you're about to do something stupid. I'm in. (in reply to Mike54)


treetopsranch Posts: 1025 From: Cottage Grove, OR, USA Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/15/2007 8:54:39 I use PSP 8 also, (that was a great version) and don't want to buy the upgrade just to suit Vista. It doesn't look like Coral will provide patches for old versions does it? Holy cow, everyone has to go out and buy new versions of software just to please Vista? Wait till the masses buy new computers with Vista pre-installed and find that their favorite programs will not work. _____________________________ Don from TreeTops Ranch, Oregon "I've got a taste for quality and luxury" (in reply to lilblackgirl)


jaybee Posts: 14157 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/15/2007 9:42:19 Not that I'm saying this is MS trying to corner the market again but it's interesting they've brought out a whole new design suite that will work on Vista when nothing else does. Seems Vista only has a shelf life of 2 years anyway as they're talking about the new OS they're developing now, to be released 2009, called Vienna. So then you can go out and buy all new software again! _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to treetopsranch)


Mike54 Posts: 4782 Joined: 3/26/2001 From: Way Up Over Status: online	RE: PSP or PS - 2/15/2007 9:51:07 quote: to be released 2009 _____________________________ Who was the first guy that looked at a cow and said, "I think that I'll drink whatever comes out of those things when I squeeze them"? New photogalleries, stop by sometime. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14157 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/15/2007 11:35:02 Yes that's what I thought but according to the MS gurus they've been working on it for some time, the only reason there's such a short gap between Vista and Vienna is that Vista was delayed so often. This won't happen with Vienna..... it says. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to Mike54)


Donkey Posts: 3869 Joined: 11/13/2001 From: Blackfield United Kingdom Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/16/2007 8:46:04 Of course Vienna will only be available in Italian, but there will be an optional espresso plug in. I expect it will play that annoying ultravox track when it opens. They may have to re-name it quote: Vienna is a freeware, open source RSS/Atom newsreader for the Mac OS X operating system _____________________________ I have a higher and grander standard of principle than George Washington. He could not lie; I can, but I won't. Samuel Clemens (in reply to jaybee)


ContentSeed Posts: 55 Joined: 10/11/2004 Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/21/2007 10:47:04 FWIW; I've always liked PhotoImpact from www.ulead.com. I don't particularly care for the new interface and still use version 7 most of the time. Also, anyone would do well to look at the new stuff from MS: Expression Blend and Expression Graphic Designer. I particularly EGD's facilities for doing "cut outs" of objects from images. If I recall, it's called "smart remove". HTH _____________________________ ContentSeed is an excellent tool for web professionals and a tremendous convenience for their clients. ContentSeed will change the way you do business. (in reply to lilblackgirl)


MikeHanlon Posts: 3 Joined: 7/25/2005 Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/21/2007 11:33:33 I use Photoshop and like it very much. Haven't tried PSP. There is an academic version available of Photoshop--AcademicSuperstore.com has it for about $289--that has all the features of the standard version. You must be a student or a faculty member to qualify for the discount. If you take a class in Photoshop at a local college, that qualifies you for the student price and you can usually buy it at the student bookstore. < Message edited by MikeHanlon -- 2/21/2007 11:54:05 > (in reply to ContentSeed)


robodad Posts: 1 Joined: 2/21/2007 Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/21/2007 15:45:26 Try Paint.NET first. It is freeware and can do a lot of what your favorite program and PhotoShop can do. I have used it to manipulate and retouch photos. I have usually been happy with the results. You need the dotNET framework 2.0 installed on your PC for this to work (free download also). It would probably work with version 3 as well. No point in spending $ 600 if you don't have to right away. Good luck. (in reply to lilblackgirl)


PhilipHerlihy Posts: 9 Joined: 9/26/2003 Status: offline	RE: PSP or PS - 2/22/2007 5:44:50 Serif.com have a range of astonishingly capable graphics products at a fraction of the cost of the "big names". PhotoPlus will do everything I need and very much more. See http://www.serif.com/photoplus/photoplus11/ You can also get free or very cheap (early) versions of many of their products at http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/ Their other products (PagePlus, DrawPlus, etc) are just as good - I can't imagine why they aren't better known. PH, London (in reply to robodad)

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RE: PSP or PS - 2/22/2007 7:04:16

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You need the dotNET framework 2.0 installed on your PC for this to work

Eeeeeek!!!!

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You can also get free or very cheap (early) versions of many of their products at http://www.freeserifsoftware.com/

Yes, I found this recently, a client sent me graphics in .spp format so I did a hunt and found 5.5 freely downloadable which got me out of a hole but I do wish clients wouldn't do this. I now have 7 different graphics packages on my machine to cater for their whims.

_____________________________

If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is.

GAWDS
Now where did I put that Doctype?

(in reply to PhilipHerlihy)