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Brian66 -> Old 'quick 'n dirty' .... (2/21/2007 1:31:18)

I cut my teeth creating HTML pages using Note Pad. FrontPage came along. Affordable and a great leap forward. I create information-type Web pages. Nothing fancy. FP2003 worked fine except whenever I'd upload to my server I got all sorts of problems and their help people weren't very helpful.

Expression Web seemed to solve a lot of the transfer problems and error messages concerning FP Extensions. I thought I'd use it exclusively, but it seems that some of the FP 2003 (stand alone) features are missing from Expression (upgrade).

Such as the picture gallery component.

1. Is there another way in Expression to accomplish the same thing?

2. Is there any (simple) way to edit the webot code so the picture size can be fitted to the screen size instead of displaying about twice as wide, requiring scrolling?

Thanks.



coreybryant -> RE: Old 'quick 'n dirty' .... (2/21/2007 7:13:17)

Basically all the Frontpage Server Components that Frontpage Server Extensions did for you are gone.

Yes, MS created a product for everyone to use to create their own website in minutes. It made hundreds of people web developers almost immediately. but the code was not that great. MS listened and created a product that created compliant code.

There are a ton of photo album scripts out there that might be of some use to you that you might consider



jaybee -> RE: Old 'quick 'n dirty' .... (2/21/2007 7:37:28)

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Is there any (simple) way to edit the webot code so the picture size can be fitted to the screen size instead of displaying about twice as wide, requiring scrolling?
Think back to the days when you used HTML. You specify a width and height and you resize the image to that before uploading it. FP resized on the fly which meant enormous images were downloading just to show a thumbnail.

As Corey said, go take a look round the web and find a decent gallery, there are plenty of free ones out there. Lightbox is a good one.



jaybee -> RE: Old 'quick 'n dirty' .... (2/21/2007 7:48:09)

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but the code was not that great
Contender for understatement of the year! [:D]



Mike54 -> RE: Old 'quick 'n dirty' .... (2/21/2007 9:31:48)

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As Corey said, go take a look round the web and find a decent gallery, there are plenty of free ones out there. Lightbox is a good one.

or you could try JAlbum, also free.



Brian66 -> RE: Old 'quick 'n dirty' .... (2/23/2007 20:25:02)

Thanks all.

I have a program called ThumbsPlus (really great for handling images) and I finally sat myself down and learned how to resize a whole group of images in one batch process. The problem I have is with my Kodak digital camera making HUGE files. Maybe they're good for printing to paper, but they have to be downsized for Web display.



Brian66 -> Another thing ... (2/23/2007 20:32:06)

I reloaded my FP03 so as to get the photo gallery feature and used it. Of course it isn't perfect either. It doesn't display the same in Firefox and Netscape the same as it does in Internet Explorer. I guess it never will. See the difference here in case you're interested.

http://www.freehi.com/jb/reduced.htm



jaybee -> RE: Another thing ... (2/23/2007 20:44:46)

Correct. It won't. It's targeted at IE only which is why we mentioned those others.

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They will be viewed best without side scrolling in Internet Explorer. Netscape and Firefox don't render them properly. Sorry.
You might like to change this to:

They will be viewed best without side scrolling in Internet Explorer. Netscape, Firefox, Opera, Mozilla, Safari, Konqueror and Camino plus most other browsers don't understand Microsoft only code and can't render them properly. Sorry. [:D]

Re images, all cameras take images too large for sites and you need to resize and optimise them before loading them to your host



jurgen -> RE: Another thing ... (2/23/2007 22:58:07)

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ORIGINAL: jaybee
They will be viewed best without side scrolling in Internet Explorer. Netscape, Firefox, Opera, Mozilla, Safari, Konqueror and Camino plus most other browsers don't understand Microsoft only code and can't render them properly. Sorry. [:D]


Hehehehehehe, makes me wonder when people finaly get the idea that every browser out there complies with the standards, but MS. However, IE8 gets pretty close now. Maybe they (MS) learned something..... [8|]

And as Mike posted, JAlbum is one of the best, free programs out there..... why fiddling with FP.... [8D]



hfsturges -> RE: Another thing ... (7/5/2007 22:59:33)

I have been working with Expression Web to put up my own website. I have two Dynamic Web Templates, with a number of associated data files.

In one of the DWT's and all its associated files, the picture in the masthead does not show when uploaded. It shows just fine on my computer and when previewed in Firefox and IE.

Pictures show just fine in the other DWT and its associated files. I have compared the code for the two, and am unable to find the problem.

If you want to look at it, try: www.everlastingcovenant.com
Any help or ideas are appreciated.



coreybryant -> RE: Another thing ... (7/6/2007 6:47:39)

You have 
Aspen%20&%20Sky.jpg
which actually shows up if I go to http://www.everlastingcovenant.com/Aspen%20&%20Sky.jpg, but try to get rid of the ampersand and spaces, Also, I would consider making the image all lower case just in case



jaybee -> RE: Another thing ... (7/6/2007 7:27:23)

Yup, don't use spaces in file names or folder names, you're asking for trouble.



hfsturges -> RE: Another thing ... (7/6/2007 23:11:35)

Corey and Jaybee,

Thanks for your quick reply.
The DWT with the "Aspen and Sky" is the one that is working well.
The other DWT has a picture masthead "Short Oak Banner" which I cannot get to show.
Maybe it shows on your browsers?

I will remove spaces and capital letters as soon as I can get to it.
The thought came to me that I may not have all the "<div>" in the proper places and right orders. I know that If I delete a <div> I can lose a whole layer.
I'll look into that too.

Thanks again.



Tailslide -> RE: Another thing ... (7/7/2007 4:15:42)

Layers are Divs - "Layer" is just FrontPage and Dreamweaver's incorrect term for it ("layers" is actually something completely different that was pretty much deprecated a few years ago) - god only knows why FP and DW decided to confuse the issue by using it for something completely different that already had a perfectly good name!



hfsturges -> RE: Another thing ... (7/8/2007 22:57:16)

TailSlide and all,

I have removed the spaces and the ampersand from the picture names.
I have worked on the <div>s.
The picture now comes in (slowly) for "shortoakbanner" and readily for "aspenandsky"

My website is simple (I think, seeing what others are doing), but there are eight <div> pairs.
It is a real challenge to get the <div> and the </div>s all in order.
I have moved almost all the styles to the style sheet to simplify the layout.
Do I have too many "layers"? If this is an outdated term, what is the correct one?

Thanks for your input.



coreybryant -> RE: Another thing ... (7/9/2007 10:59:59)

WYSIWYG editors call them layers (perhaps because imaging programs call them layers). But they are divides (<div>). The WYSIWYG editors will create the <div> for you but most of the time, they are absolutely positioned - help you to design a website but not develop it. Websites need to be developed in XHTML.



hfsturges -> RE: Another thing ... (7/10/2007 3:16:42)

By careful attention to the <div>s and the </div>s, to be sure that each were appropriately paired, and that the following </div> appeared in the proper section of the code, I have solved most of my problems.

I started out with Front Page, and moved to Expression Web when it was available.
There is a steep learning curve for both these programs,
AND the code generated seems "messy" to me.
So I have "degenerated" into working mostly with code.

The recent book by Jim Cheshire, published by QUE, is beautifully produced, but short on information. They spent almost one third of the book talking about ASP controls!

Thanks for your interest and help.



jaybee -> RE: Another thing ... (7/10/2007 4:57:39)

To be honest with you if you're happy to work with code then I'd get hold of a good XHTML and CSS book and use that as your primary tool. Only go to an EW book if you need to do something specific with asp.



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