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golfer -> RE: Your first web site (3/12/2007 12:40:40)
quote: [edit]You can tell how good he is, he managed to get the link going to the wrong place. :) Fixed it for you sweetie. < Message edited by jaybee -- 3/11/2007 20:38:53 > [:D][:D][:D] Awe thanks my dear. XXXX Well there's proof that I am hopeless. To make it worse I'm a hopeless male as well. Womble you are so kind to me. What are you after? I have been on a little break to Fowey in Cornwall - getting away from the pressures of life that seems to be grabbing at me[;)]. No golf as I stayed in a harbour-front pub. Discovered that my nerves are wonderfully relaxed at closing time[:)]

womble -> RE: Your first web site (3/12/2007 15:34:28)
quote: ORIGINAL: golfer Womble you are so kind to me. What are you after? You suggesting I'm not usually nice to you? [:D] I've been very nice of late. Not once have I mentioned the lack of trousers situation....[sm=whistling.gif]

jaybee -> RE: Your first web site (3/12/2007 16:01:29)
Scuse me, terribly sorry to interrupt this mutual admiration society but is there any chance, just for once, that we could keep a thread on topic?

Creemo -> you've got me stepping out of my comfort zone... (6/2/2007 12:23:39)
Ok, you've got me stepping out of my comfort zone...but at least I didn't have to step too awfully far! I must first make this huge disclaimer to permit ya'll to know that I am not the seasoned veteran as many of you are. In fact, prior to last year at this time, I had never built or published a webpage. My previous 30 years were spent in the Tool-&-Die Automotive related industry; that is...up until I was diagnosed with esophageal cancer. It was only then, after I was forced to go on disability, that I decided to look into something that I could do and develop at home... So...here I am; sitting at my computer learning HTML and all kinds of other great stuff!!! I thought you had a great idea for breaking the ice, Jaybee. So, I've decided to throw my first webpage (if that's what ya'd call it), in the pool as well. I have to laugh when looking at it because, for the yellow colored area along the left side, I used a "Form" field (for lack of knowledge obviously). Here it is (originally published exactly a year ago). My First Page By the way, I didn't happen to check the button links to see where they take you... I just republished the page today, just as it was in my archives. Hope I'm at least able to make someone smile [:D] JR

womble -> RE: you've got me stepping out of my comfort zone... (6/2/2007 16:40:32)
Hey, that's a perfectly respectable first web page. I think the scrolling marquee is just about compulsory for new webbies. "Hey! I can make text move!" is on a par with what our distant ancestors must have thought when they first tried rubbing two sticks together and found they'd just invented the first BBQ. There's no horrible clashing colours or anything there. Admittedly the navigation that doesn't go anywhere is a bit of a worry, but the web's about learning so I'd describe it as a feature - an ingenuity test to see whether potential customers can find the other pages. If they can, accept them as customers. If they can't they've obviously got no initiative or imagination, and you should show them the door. I'd turn that into a feature. [:D]

Creemo -> RE: you've got me stepping out of my comfort zone... (6/2/2007 17:07:01)
Thanks Womble, "Respectable" is a very kind and generous description...but hey, we all have to start somewhere, huh? Actually, at the time that particular version of my website was published, all of the links did go somewhere. However, given the inevitable evolution that aspiring web builders experiences, and since that page hasn't been online for many months, all of those button link destinations have since either depreciated or become obsolete. But thank you for the cheerful critique anyway. This was a great idea Jaybee, and I'm looking forward to viewing the other brave souls' first publications. JR

Creemo -> RE: Your first web site (6/2/2007 17:24:52)
By the way Womble, I wanted to mention that I almost had to take some anxiety medicine after viewing this one of yours: quote: ORIGINAL: womble quote: ORIGINAL: Caz & Donkey's Wedding Website! Although, admitedly, I had absolutely nothing over you on our first attempts. JR

womble -> RE: Your first web site (6/2/2007 18:01:09)
Ah yes, the wedding website! [:D] That was actually one of the hardest I've done, because version 1 of it actually validated, and was deemed by Jaybee herself not tacky enough by far, and I was then supplied with an endless stream of code snippets, graphics and suggestions for alterations to content to reduce the tone more. [:D] At the same time though, I have to say it was great fun to do - being able to do all those things that are considered bad practice. [:)]

caz -> RE: Your first web site (6/2/2007 20:11:41)
quote: ORIGINAL: Creemo By the way Womble, I wanted to mention that I almost had to take some anxiety medicine after viewing this one of yours: quote: ORIGINAL: womble quote: ORIGINAL: Caz & Donkey's Wedding Website! Although, admitedly, I had absolutely nothing over you on our first attempts. JR Er, wotch it...that site is now a prized family heirloom. I will not have a word said against such a perfectly formed, invalid and tacky wedding present. It takes pride of place amongst those wonderful presents that are carefully put away until the donor visits then they are brought out on view for the duration of the visit. [;)] You had to take anxiety meds to view it JR? womble knows how to sort the men from the boys. <hehe> Now for a first site JR yours is way better than mine was because you have a DOCTYPE - I'd never heard of them when I did mine. [:D] Cheers Carol

Creemo -> RE: Your first web site (6/3/2007 0:26:09)
quote: ORIGINAL: caz... You had to take anxiety meds to view it JR? womble knows how to sort the men from the boys. <hehe> I'd love to pursue this topic a little further caz, but out of respect to Jaybee we'd better stick to thread. quote: ORIGINAL: caz... Now for a first site JR yours is way better than mine was because you have a DOCTYPE - I'd never heard of them when I did mine. [:D] Cheers Carol Carol, You know, the funny thing is that I didn't know what a DOCTYPE was either, it just happen to be what my WYSIWYG Webbuilder program produced for me. Oh...the magic of dragging & dropping!!! Could our lives get any easier? Dave, my dad worked as an auto-body repairman his whole life and would have been proud to have your body shop website represent his work! Mango...I'd feel most comfortable taking my dog to the Vet with a website like yours! I must say that, overall, I am thoroughly impressed with everyone's earliest website endeavors! I could only hope to eventually create something as impressive as some of them. If you guys are trying to make us newcomers feel more at ease you'd better dig a little deeper into the archives! JR

womble -> RE: Your first web site (6/3/2007 5:40:47)
quote: If you guys are trying to make us newcomers feel more at ease you'd better dig a little deeper into the archives! I'd probably better not show you my 7 year old nephew's first site then. [:D] Actually, he did cheat a bit because it's designed by me, so does have doctypes and such like, but as it's got a basic CMS, all the text is his. My first attempts to show him how to use FrontPage, it has to be said produced some interesting results - chain-mail effect badly tiled background, pink content area, with bright yellow text. [:'(] It never even got as far as the server, but I'll look and see if the files are still there. I'll have to have a look later and see if I do have anything of my very first attempt back in the 90s remaining. I know there's nothing left online now, but I may have the original Word converted to HTML files on my other computer somewhere if I dig around a little. quote: ORIGINAL: Creemo quote: ORIGINAL: caz... You had to take anxiety meds to view it JR? womble knows how to sort the men from the boys. <hehe> I'd love to pursue this topic a little further caz, but out of respect to Jaybee we'd better stick to thread. Rather conveniently, there is currently a thread for such off-topicness, on which any subject is allowed - you'll find it loitering with intent in the Lounge area. [:D] <edit>I've actually just realised that my very first CSS layout site is still online! <hehe> I did it for a bit of a laugh, and to have a go at all the CSS stuff I'd been reading about - you can find it here. The basic layout was pilfered from a site with CSS layout templates, and the menu was from here - copying and pasting at it's best. [:D] It took me an entire weekend to work out how to get the photographs where I wanted them though, and after that I almost went back to tables again!</edit>

Creemo -> RE: Your first web site (6/3/2007 13:52:06)
quote: ORIGINAL: womble I'd probably better not show you my 7 year old nephew's first site then. [:D] Actually, he did cheat a bit because it's designed by me, so does have doctypes and such like, but as it's got a basic CMS, all the text is his. My first attempts to show him how to use FrontPage, it has to be said produced some interesting results - chain-mail effect badly tiled background, pink content area, with bright yellow text. [:'(] It never even got as far as the server, but I'll look and see if the files are still there. I'll have to have a look later and see if I do have anything of my very first attempt back in the 90s remaining. I know there's nothing left online now, but I may have the original Word converted to HTML files on my other computer somewhere if I dig around a little. I'd love to see 'em all. quote: ORIGINAL: creemo... I'd love to pursue this topic a little further caz, but out of respect to Jaybee we'd better stick to thread. quote: womble... Rather conveniently, there is currently a thread for such off-topicness, on which any subject is allowed - you'll find it loitering with intent in the Lounge area. [:D] I will definitely have to check out that lounge area; I'm always up for an good conversation. Howbeit, I hope they serve something other than coffee there...I never have developed a taste for it! [;)] quote: womble... ...I've actually just realised that my very first CSS layout site is still online! <hehe> I did it for a bit of a laugh, and to have a go at all the CSS stuff I'd been reading about - you can find it here. Very cute and commendable first site Womble! You know...you appear a little shorter in your photos than what I had imagined you to be! [;)]

womble -> RE: Your first web site (6/3/2007 14:37:03)
Yeah, I have changed a bit and got a bit taller. These days I'm more like the pic in my av, only without the chainsaw, at least most of the time, and a few other minor technical omissions for the sake of artistic licence. [:D]

pesty -> RE: Your first web site (8/18/2007 1:01:33)
First I would like to thank Jaybee and all the rest of you for you walk down memory lane. I was a newbie and came to this site quite awhile ago to get some help and advice. If I remember right there use to be a forum just for the new ones. Anyway, I quit coming here because the "pros" were often rude and used technical language that I still wasn't use to. It didn't help to tell folks (the pros) at this site that I was new and still learning. I was told to study more and most of the time didn't get an answer to my question. I learned web design through a correspondence course. I couldn't afford to go to school so I did it at home. A lot of people are learning that way now-a-days. I graduated the course with straight A's but those straight A's didn't prepare for the real web design world. So I found myself in forums asking for help in understanding what I found so easy to do in the books. After a few tries at other forums and getting the same treatment, I decided to quit trying to build websites. I decided to give it another shot and I've been practicing. I still have a lot of questions and still don't have an instructor to tell me if I'm doing it right or not. Thanks for taking the time to let the newbies know it's ok to be new. Hopefully, some of you will be an inspiration to a newbie and help create the worlds next greatest web designer.

Tailslide -> RE: Your first web site (8/18/2007 4:34:12)
quote: ORIGINAL: pesty. I learned web design through a correspondence course. I couldn't afford to go to school so I did it at home. A lot of people are learning that way now-a-days. That's how most of us learned. In fact the self-taught people are probably way ahead of those that attended courses - most courses I've come across teach out of date techniques. You can generally learn a lot more by yourself with a few good books and website tutorials. As far as the technicality goes - it's a horribly technical subject. I've been designing sites professionally (well taking money off people anyway) for four years now and there's not a day goes by when I don't learn something new - I'm not exaggerating there - not a single day goes by. Yesterday and today I'm learning how to create my own, leaner, meaner cubecart template without messing the whole cart up! You need to be prepared for that continual learning curve (and probably, like most of us feeling continuously slightly behind the curve!) and actually enjoy it. Problems arise for some people when they learn a technique and refuse to move on from it when something better comes along or aren't interested in learning new techniques.

rdouglass -> RE: Your first web site (8/20/2007 9:31:59)
I think my first web site (1996) was a little tame compared to some of the other ones: http://web.archive.org/web/19961220085212/http://www.insurancemaine.com/ Of course, it was for an insurance agency so they were all pretty 'stiff' and wouldn't let me do rainbow or flashing text animations or I would have. [:D] It is kinda' funny going down this path of 'memory lane' but we have to remember that when some of us started this thing they called the World Wide Web was still rather a novelty and not a serious business tool like it is now. Oh sure, a few cutting-edge companies were doing real business over the 'Net but for most, it was still no more than a curiosity. I'm talking about 1996 of course; things have changed very rapidly since then...

rdouglass -> RE: Your first web site (8/20/2007 9:33:52)
quote: You need to be prepared for that continual learning curve (and probably, like most of us feeling continuously slightly behind the curve!) and actually enjoy it. That is soooo true. That is probably the single biggest prerequisite for this work.

DebSpecs -> RE: Your first web site (8/22/2007 17:16:45)
whatever you do, don't tell my dentist! http://www.HateHate.net

DebSpecs -> RE: Your first web site (8/22/2007 17:20:46)
that is so turn of the century! I love it!

bobby -> RE: Your first web site (9/7/2007 17:22:39)
My first site ever was all text... some of it moved, some of it linked to other pages with all text (some of them had text that moved too). But it was on a Tripod site that is long gone and best forgotten. The oldest one I was able to find using the archive is this one from '01. FP2K and 14K dial-up... At the time I didn't even have a modem on my machine. We had to buy two copies of FP so we could put one on my PC and one on the office Admin's PC. I used her machine to do all of the uploading... http://web.archive.org/web/20010202125200/http://www.wassercoatings.com/ [8\|]

cooper -> RE: Your first web site (10/30/2007 10:09:22)
OK... the first one I got paid* for: May 25, 2002 * PAID - to receive compensation for (i.e. - The organization waived the $25 fee to join and I ended up with a nightly headache with an inbox full of suggestions from members)

doorgunner -> RE: Your first web site (11/30/2007 20:50:03)
OK, Jaybee. Here is a brand new guy that just signed up a few minutes ago. Me! I've been out of the web site creation arena for quite a few years and I'm quite rusty. 3-In-1 oil won't break me free. I'm kinda interested in getting up-to-date on the latest and greatest software to make web sites. I've got some old stuff, Web Page Maker, Antenna, Dreamweaver, etc. But as fast as the web changes software is obsolete before they can market the stuff. Also, any advice on web hosting deals would be appreciated. Thankx in advance.

Tailslide -> RE: Your first web site (12/1/2007 3:06:43)
Hi Bud In Jaybee's absence I'll stake my 2p's worth. I think the latest thing is actually not using a WYSIWYG like Dreamweaver at all. It's using valid, semantic, accessible markup and CSS instead of table-layouts etc and doing this by hand. Obviously if you're hand-coding you don't need to bother spending a lot of money on a WYSIWYG - you can use one of the many excellent freebie HTML editors like PSPad, Crimson Editor, HTML-kit or my current favourite Araneae.

d a v e -> RE: Your first web site (12/1/2007 6:21:01)
you'd be better spending your money on fireworks IMHO THE best app for web graphics (unless your doing a lot of photo work in which case photoshop or similar would be better or in conjunction with) or then if you can't stretch to Adobe fireworks then paintshop pro, or a free one like The Gimp.

jaybee -> RE: Your first web site (12/1/2007 7:58:34)
Welcome Bud. We have super strength 3-in-1 on here. we can prise anything out of you given time. [;)] The above posts are right. If you're going to spend money on anything spend it on a graphics package so you can get good quality images on the site that are properly optimised. For development there are loads of freebies around and some cheapies. Learn (X)HTML and CSS and you can even use notepad if needs be. I'd recommend you get THIS book which will take you through a modern site development step by step and stand you in good stead for further work. You may be able to pick it up cheaper and faster through Amazon. Hosting, there are loads around but if you let me know where you're based and what domain extensions you're likely to be using (.com .co.uk etc) I can point you in the right direction.

jaybee -> RE: Your first web site (12/1/2007 8:05:42)
Oh and one other thing, as you've been out of the arena for a while. Do not be tempted to use graphics swiped on trips around the web unless you are absolutely certain that they are copyright free. There are a lot of people getting nasty letters threatening legal action these days.

doorgunner -> RE: Your first web site (12/31/2007 12:07:41)
Thanks, Jaybee. I can see that I stumbled onto a great bulliten board for web sites. Between you, Dave, and Tailslide I have gleaned some good info. I don't mind spending the buck$ to get the right software and getting up to speed quickly. Bearing that in mind, what would you put on your "Wish List"? [:-] I have Adobe Photoshop CS.

jaybee -> RE: Your first web site (12/31/2007 12:45:32)
Go for Photoshop Elements, does pretty much the same thing but a heck of a lot cheaper. My wish list? Win the lottery, new car, new house..... errrr, I have pretty much all the tools I need. If you'd asked me a week ago I'd have said I wanted an editor that did all the things I need it to do but having tried out just about every single one of them I've found UltraEdit and it's spot on. So now all I want is a version for the Mac which isn't currently available.

d a v e -> RE: Your first web site (12/31/2007 13:01:39)
do you mean you own Photoshop CS or it's on your wish list?

shellaire -> RE: Your first web site (1/24/2008 16:56:13)
Hi! I just started Web Development Training/Schooling about 4 months ago. I have experimented with different languages for years and decided to learn more! ( I hope!) Anyway, I came upon an assignment which I am having trouble answering. I am not looking for someone to give me a direct answer, but if anyone has any suggestions of where I could find the answer that would be great!! The question: How do different browsers interpret padding? How do different browsers interpret margins? I have found many answers and have been looking for hours! But nothing to my complete satisfactory! Help Please! Shelley

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