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concho pearl Posts: 61 Joined: 3/13/2007 Status: offline	Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 10:36:30 When published to site, and looking at it with Firefox some of the text is bigger and displayed. When looking at it though Explorer it's fine. How do I make it look good on both. Also, my client - uses Explorer and see's bigger images and some line pushing over to the next line and has to scroll left and right. I've check the site on a friends small screen,( about same size screen as his) and it's fine - look at their screen resolution and had him re- set his screen resolution, but it only help him from not having to scroll left and right. Can you please advise on my 2 issues. Thank you in advance...


Tailslide Posts: 6368 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 10:39:00 Can you post the url? _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to concho pearl)


concho pearl Posts: 61 Joined: 3/13/2007 Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 10:59:55 http://outdoorsmansa.com (in reply to Tailslide)


Tailslide Posts: 6368 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 11:29:07 The font size looks the same to me on FF and IE7. In IE7 the font itself looks bolder and smoother because IE7 had font smoothing on by default - prior to IE7 you had to set it up to do this in your Windows control panel. Could be that your client has their font set up at a larger text setting in Firefox. You should always try to ensure that your site works when people do this rather than breaking the layout (doesn't appear to break your layout from what I saw). The reason they get a scrollbar on smaller screen resolutions is that you've set the page up to be approximately 845px wide when the 800x600 browser resolutions will get a scrollbar at around 770px (approximately) so you need to be below that in width to ensure no scrollbar. _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to concho pearl)


jurgen Posts: 391 Joined: 1/9/2007 From: Castle Rock, Colorado Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 11:33:15 It looks the same on my site with NS8 and IE7. You do not have a DOC declaration in your page. Chances are it will throw different browsers in Quirk mode and display different. (in reply to concho pearl)


concho pearl Posts: 61 Joined: 3/13/2007 Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 12:21:36 forgive me but what is a DOC declaration? (in reply to jurgen)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 12:35:47 Open your page, look at it in code view. At the top there'll be a line called Doctype. This explains them _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to concho pearl)


concho pearl Posts: 61 Joined: 3/13/2007 Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 12:40:01 I just added it, should are resize everything down to below 770? After re sizing his screen resolution he's not getting the bottom scroll bar. But is says the line What we do for a Livn' is on 2 lines ad the buttons are big. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 13:02:48 If you're trying to design for different screens then you should be using %ages for your widths not pixels that way it resizes itself. If you right click on your tables, choose table properties you can change it from 800 pixels to 99%. You'll then need to check the rest (tables, cells etc) thoroughly as they'll probably need changing to % as well. The big problem you have is your design, your header graphic is over 800 and you can't really % pictures as they can go all fuzzy. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to concho pearl)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 13:06:59 The problem you have with fixed width is precisely what you've come across. Many people still use 800x600 even if they can use greater due to poor eyesight. If you resize to fit 800 then anyone on a widescreen gets a thin strip of a site. The only way round it is to design for fluid pages and that design you have there isn't it. Nice though it is. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


concho pearl Posts: 61 Joined: 3/13/2007 Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 19:15:45 Okay , I've check all my cells, and tables and changed the W X H to % what else should I do to make it more fluid? Should I resize my banner down to say 770 or 770? (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14207 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 19:44:59 As I said, the problem is your graphics. No matter whether you use tables or css for layout, and whether you use pixels or %, the graphics will always push everything out to the size they want to be. If your graphic is wider than will fit on and 800 wide window then yes, you'll have to shrink it or get horizontal scroll. If you want a fluid site then the design you have won't work. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to concho pearl)


concho pearl Posts: 61 Joined: 3/13/2007 Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 19:57:16 I can shrink down my table and banner 770, but when it's put into % it stretches it out across to the full screen size, which is way to big. So I'm thinking to shink down to 770 like I did, and go with that, I think he likes the black background showing on the side, and the rest in centered anyway. It should work then - correct??? (in reply to jaybee)


jurgen Posts: 391 Joined: 1/9/2007 From: Castle Rock, Colorado Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 21:27:41 If your images in one row are not wider the 800 (770) pixels i should work.... (in reply to concho pearl)


concho pearl Posts: 61 Joined: 3/13/2007 Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/28/2007 23:07:02 Ok, I pulled every thing down to 770 - in explorer looks fine, in FF preview looks good, but when published FF shows a black line under the banner. Any suggestions?? Are you seeing the same in FF? (in reply to jurgen)


Tailslide Posts: 6368 Joined: 5/10/2005 From: Out here on the raggedy edge Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/29/2007 2:06:12 You've got a paragraph tag in there with the banner image - you're getting margin associated with that in FF. Remove the paragraph tag and it will go away. <p align="left"> _____________________________ Little Blue Plane Web Design \| Land Rover project (in reply to concho pearl)


womble Posts: 5721 Joined: 3/14/2005 From: Living on the edge Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/29/2007 7:03:31 quote: ORIGINAL: concho pearl I can shrink down my table and banner 770, but when it's put into % it stretches it out across to the full screen size, which is way to big. So I'm thinking to shink down to 770 like I did, and go with that, I think he likes the black background showing on the side, and the rest in centered anyway. It should work then - correct??? The problem with images is, as you've found out, that when you specify images in % they don't always look good. I'm sort of working on a site at the moment (it's a personal site I'm doing bewteen other jobs) where I've managed to make the image as wide as I think it's gonna need to be for widescreen monitors by keeping the important imagery centered and no wider than around 770px, and fading that image out to a colour the same as the background colour for that part of the site. So that it doesn't overspill the main container on smaller widths, in the CSS I've set the image to overflow: hidden; so that on smaller widths you just get the central image, while on larger widths the image gradually fades out into the background colour. _____________________________ ~~ "A cruel god ain't no god at all" ~~ ~~ Erase hate. Practice love. ~~ (in reply to concho pearl)


concho pearl Posts: 61 Joined: 3/13/2007 Status: offline	RE: Explorer and Firefox - 3/29/2007 13:52:22 Thanks for all the help!!! (in reply to womble)