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Just need to make a new site... - 4/13/2007 19:47:37
Hi to all,
OK, per my post below, all I need is to make a new web site on my client's server. They already have a domain name, and it points to the server OK.
I can't use FP because the server doesn't have the extensions installed. I can't find anywhere (on the web) to get the extensions.
I bought EW because I thought it was the new way to go with setting up and maintaining a web site.
I can't connect because I don't have write permissions, although no login screen pops up asking for a username and password (I actually have full admin permissions using Remote Desktop).
I can't connect using VS 2005 so I can create a login, because it says that the FP extensions are not installed!
I have 20+ years experience as a programmer/developer, including Windows Mobile for over 7 years, but I can't figure out what to do?!
Should I just use DreamWeaver instead? Would I have the same issues? My client needs the web site up and running ASAP...and I need to show some progress...please help!
Thanks.
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 4/13/2007 20:12:39
How about designing the website without FP extensions and upload thru FTP?
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 4/13/2007 20:35:36
OK,
which editor do I use, EW, or something else?
Thanks!
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 4/13/2007 21:01:46
I've been maintaining my own company's web site for years using FP. It's hosted by someone else. All I have to do to maintain my site is fire up FP, log in (username & pw), and away I go.
I can do anything necessary with the web site, including making web app's with VS 2005, but I don't do networking (never have), and I've never set up a server.
I can't understand why it's so difficult to simply set up a login so that I can tell EW that I have permission to write??? To me, the login should be inherent in EW, in other words, EW should ask for the info, pass it along to the web server, and return with the proper permissions.
To be quite frank, I know I could use FP and design my client's home page in an hour. So far, I've been on this for two days and counting...
Thanks!
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 4/14/2007 1:35:28
Yes, but the question remains...
How do I get this running? I'm not using sharepoint. All I want to do is connect via EW, CAN IT NOT BE DONE? If it can, what are the steps?
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 4/17/2007 12:56:52
I have had some success (finally) in setting up the server and the new web site. Here's what I've learned so far (when this is all done, I will post a complete "How To" so that others can benefit from my struggles):
A) Whatever you do, DON'T install the FrontPage extensions on a Windows Server 2003 x64 Standard Edition operating system. It led to 3 days of trouble-shooting, knowledge base article reading, and trying to fix broken issues. Just FYI, the Server is running on an AMD64 processor.
B) Once I uninstalled the FPSE's, I was able to get the web site that I had created in IIS to work properly (right-click browse or using IE).
C) Now, if I right-click Properties on the web site in IIS, I get the ASP.NET tab. I then clicked on the Edit Configuration button in ASP.NET, and selected Forms from the Authentication Mode dropdown. Of course the Login URL for the login page that I was trying to create was simply Login.aspx. I clicked Apply, then OK.
D) I then found a very nice walkthrough for creating a very simple login at http://authors.aspalliance.com/aspxtreme/webapps/simplecookieauthentication.aspx
E) I edited the web.config file in the root of my web site, following the sample at the walkthrough. I then created the Login.aspx and Default.aspx files as described, using Notepad in the root of the web site.
I also discovered that, since I don't have VS 2005 on the server itself, obviously I can go ahead and create any ASP.NET application locally and then transfer the files (duh) to the server as needed. This will allow me to create a much more sophisticated login and other app's that I need. The walkthrough has laid a nice foundation for understanding what is needed, where it goes, and what it's doing.
With that aside, however, there is still one looming problem that I just can't get past. It would seem to be a universal issue that anyone using EW would have. Simply put, when I try to publish my web site using Remote Web Site-->Publish, I get the error shown in the attached screen captures. First, it tells me that FPSE's or SharePoint services are not installed. This, I believe, is not the real issue, however (as stated, you do not want to install FPSE's on this server as it will lead to very bad things, and second, the SharePoint services are installed and allowed). The real issue lies in the details screen. (BTW, I'm using WebDAV in EW as my connection method.)
The details show error 403.3: Write access is denied.
Obviously, this would be the case, since Guests only have Read permissions.
So, here's the BIG QUESTION! How do you get EW to ask for a login so that the permissions, when properly logged in, can be changed to allow write permission.
With FrontPage (which I use for my own company's web site that is hosted elsewhere), when it fires up my www, it stops and asks for a login username & password. Then, I have full access to my web site. I can't seem to find anywhere in EW to set this up, and even though I've now got this very simple login procedure (that does fire up properly for anyone accessing the web site), EW never shows this login etc...
So, does anyone know how to setup EW so that it can actually write to the web site?
Thanks!
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 4/17/2007 13:36:37
Thanks, jaybee.
Logically, EW has to know that it needs to get the permission to write to the web site. Why is it not doing this?
If I'm the only one having this issue, please explain (in some kind of detail) how EW normally writes to a remote web site. Are the permissions at the server modified to allow write access from a specific IP? How do system admininstrators deal with setting up a web site for a (remote) web developer. In other words, how would Valueweb (an internet web host provider) set up the server for access by one of it's customers who uses EW to develop a new web site, so that that web developer can actually publish the web files to the server?
Obviously, I can not simply allow write permissions to all guests.
Thanks!
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 4/17/2007 16:13:15
Since my last reply there, I have discovered that I can get the login screen in EW to appear, as long as I uncheck "Enable anonymous access" and check the "Integrated Windows Authentication" box in Authentication Methods, under Directory Security --> Authentication and access control --> Edit button.
Also, under Home Directory (again in the IIS 6.0 web site's properties), I also checked the Write box, which previously had been unchecked.
Now, when I run EW and connect to the remote web site, it properly asks me for the Username & Password, as I had always expected it to do. This is very good, except for 2 issues:
The right-hand pane does not show me the published files. In other words, I can't see the files and folders under Remote Desktop, even though they are there. When I publish the web site (from local to remote), it actually DOES write the files and folders (very nice), but, again, I can't see them in the right-hand window pane.
Now that I can write to the web site, how do I set it up so that I can write, but others can only read? In other words, anyone going to that web site is now required to login, which of course, I don't want it to do, since it is supposed to be a publicly viewable web site. How do I take care of this? I know I could go back and forth, changing the permissions etc whenever I need to edit the web pages, but this would prove to be fairly time-consuming and repetitive. I'm sure there's a way to do this properly.
Thanks!
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 4/17/2007 16:38:36
Final note...
I checked the "Directory Browsing" check box in the web site's properties, and now I can view the folders of the web site in the right-hand window in EW.
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 4/18/2007 8:11:10
I would discourage using directory browsing. With this enabled anyone can browse.
Take care,
Brian
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RE: Just need to make a new site... - 6/23/2007 23:59:34
I have been running my Windows Server 2003 64bt for over a year now and am so glad I found this forum. Thanks for all the detective work. Once I uninstalled the FrontPage Extensions and turned WebDAV on I was able to connect.
Still one major issue I haven't figured out.
I still can't get Expression to connect to the root folder of the site. I have to chose any one of the first level folders and then only have access to that folder and all the child folders during my session.
If I just type in the site name it get 'Not a valid folder' error.
Any help on this would be appreciated. I have been using Remote Access to work on my server over the last year but it will be so nice to use Expression Web now.
Thanks so much and feel free to use me as a resource for anything relating to Windows Server 64bit.
Lastly the main reason Frontpage/Expression Web don't work well is due to incompatibilites with Sharepoint and Frontpage on NON Sharepoint websites. If I install Sharepoint, Expression Web, Frontpage and Visual Studio all connect directly for instant editing. However if the sites are not sharepoint (mine are all DotNetNuke) you can't connect and have major issues with security.
Thanks,
Tom Harris
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