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Nutz in Midwest
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Absolute in table?? - 11/15/2001 23:48:00
hi all....can you use an autoshape in a table that has absolute postioning without all the browsers freaking out?...I want to overlap some stuff and this is the only way I can think to do it. Any ideas or comments?
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Nutz in Midwest
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/15/2001 23:54:00
I guess in general....can you absolute in tables at all? I want to get some words and graphics closer together and tables have a postioning all to themselves.
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Nancy
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/15/2001 15:51:00
Pretty much you want to avoid absolute positioning, and anything that overlaps. Unless you have absolute control over the browser being used, and the monitor settings also. What looks absolute to you, and just the way you want, will look entirely different somewhere else. To achieve the look you are wanting, you might want to consider making the text part of the graphic. This would work for a small amount of text at least. Nancy ------------------
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Nutz in Midwest
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/15/2001 16:47:00
So Nancy...are you saying that EVERY element needs a table..ie...sentences, pics, artwork, etc???...Can they all fit in one table?...meaning several pieces if I want??
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/15/2001 17:02:00
With very few exceptions, yes I would put everything in a table. It is the only way to know that your site will be viewed in a similar manner by a variety of browsers and resolutions.For information/articles on tables, here is some good information. http://www.outfront.net/frontpagetables.htm Nancy ------------------
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Nutz in Midwest
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/15/2001 22:56:00
Nancy...I just rebuilt the main page using tables..extensively!!...I tried to puteverything in a table of its own...some I didnt.I would appreciate you comparing both the old index.html and the new "redohtml.html" and tell me if I am getting closer to being more profiecient.old=http://64.38.124.234/index.html new=hhttp://64.38.124.234/images/redoindex.html I did notice that items still shift to the left when I make the window smaller..but they dont skew around the page...is that normal for the items to shift around like that? Am I closer to using tables better? Also as you compare, I am losing the little autoshape on the word "Chicago"...I would like to put that in...do you think I would be safe using "absolute" on it? It didnt shift before on other peoples puters. Also, how do I add the paragraph next to the leftside moving box?...The height of the box goofs up the margins for anything I add. Appreciate your time!! Nutz
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/15/2001 23:18:00
I really hate to tell you this, but I think you might want to reconsider your use of the autoshapes and filled text boxes. Those features work reasonably well in Word for printing, but not for the web.I know they are new features within FrontPage 2002, but I don't think the world, or more specifically the current browsers available, are ready for them. Looking at your page with NN4.5, I see very little of your page. I also was not able to look at the source code for your page in NN as it locked up on me while on your page. Standard text, and gif or jpg files will make for a more cross-browser friendly web site. If you still want a little zest to the site, you might consider using Swish or Flash in strategic locations. Nancy ------------------
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Nutz in Midwest
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/16/2001 20:04:00
Ok Nancy....guess I have to rethink the text box and auto shapes...shucks...will let ya look at new stuff for a good opinion when I get some sleep...lolNutz
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/16/2001 20:03:00
Good Morning Nancy...I redesigned pages with tables, eliminating the text boxes and autoshapes. would you pls check out the main site at http://64.38.124.234/ and tell me what you think. Also, pls click on links and see if other pages are goofed up. Thank you for taking the time...it certainly is helpful!!Nutz
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/17/2001 22:48:00
I didn't notice any overlapping this time. But I wasn't able to find links to other pages. The only links I saw were to external sites, but of the 3 or 4 I tried the link worked.I still see a LOT of stuff in the source code that I have never seen before, and several parts of it that refer to shapes, so it must be left over from before. It would be a good idea to clean that out of there. Nancy
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/22/2001 20:42:00
I wonder if anybody has a thought on Nutz's original question? Yes I learned that you can't use absolute positioning, and you have to use tables to lay out everything. But I have not found a way to overlay two images. One obvious application is a page header (banner) -- same graphics on all pages, but different text or other graphics identifying the specific page. Right now I am doing what Nancy suggested for my banners. But that means lots of separate banner images even though I am only putting text over it.FP themes do this, but I haven't figured out how to do it directly without using a theme. Any thoughts? John
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 11/23/2001 20:24:00
You can't overlap stuff in your web, yet. Some browsers can't handle it. Right now you are best off making separate graphics for each page...or use a theme.Sandy ------------------
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 12/5/2001 13:36:21
Why can't you use a table, and create a background image on that cell
<td width="50%" background="images/menuback.jpg" >text here</td>
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I wonder if anybody has a thought on Nutz's original question? Yes I learned that you can't use absolute positioning, and you have to use tables to lay out everything. But I have not found a way to overlay two images. One obvious application is a page header (banner) -- same graphics on all pages, but different text or other graphics identifying the specific page. Right now I am doing what Nancy suggested for my banners. But that means lots of separate banner images even though I am only putting text over it.<P>FP themes do this, but I haven't figured out how to do it directly without using a theme.<P>Any thoughts?<P>John<BR><A HREF="http://www.jvx.com" TARGET=_blank>www.jvx.com</A><BR>
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 12/5/2001 13:58:54
Netscape and IE render cell backgrounds in totally different ways. You need to be very very careful about this when using bg images in cells or tables.
There is a good article on the subject here:
http://www.dreamweaversites.com/tutorials/tablebgs.htm
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RE: Absolute in table?? - 12/22/2001 20:58:56
Question ... Katherine,
Does this still apply to a background image in FP. For instance I have a lot of pages on a commerical site that have BG images with tables over top of them housing type etc., The images a sized to fit the layout with large white space added to keep them from tiling. Is this cool?
Thanks Bpete
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