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jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 4:18:35 I have a full version of EW, direct from Microsoft, no dodgy copies. I've been trying hard to give it a good run and there are a number of irritating issues with it but they're not insurmountable... its handling of PHP for example. Over the last couple of weeks though I've been finding a few really annoying things happening which are causing me to seriously think about dumping it permanently and I was wondering if anyone else was having these problems. I've tried a full reinstall before anyone suggests it. CSS. Completely ignoring the problems that it has with Byte Order Marks, it started out adding its own styles into the header of each page if I made any changes using design view. That was driving me nuts as I have an external style sheet at all times. I played around with the program settings a while back and that stopped but over the last week I've found that if I insert a graphic for example, it automatically opens the CSS file and sticks changes in there, specifically, it adds height and width for that particular image to the class attached to it. Given that it's a class and therefore used for lots of images, all different sizes, this is mega annoying especially given that it also puts the size inline. It won't let me shut the CSS file down without saving which I obviously don't want to do but if I remove the sizes from the CSS and then close it, it takes the sizes out of the HTML as well. If I put them back in there, it opens the darn CSS file again and sticks them back in the class. The other thing that's started happening is it's absolutely hammering my machine. If I make a quick change to some text in design view I can hear the drive spinning up and working overtime. Assuming it meant memory wasn't getting freed up after having several things open at once, I've tried shutting the machine down and rebooting but I get the same problem even when all I have opened is EW. Anyone else getting this. It's seriously driving me barmy. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype?


coreybryant Posts: 2479 Joined: 3/17/2002 From: Castle Rock CO USA Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 7:02:52 Steve Easton wrote up something about handling the BOM on is 95isalive site. There are also some posts about it over at the MS newsgroups. (Sorry I can't post those links to the newsgroups - one reason why I hate them, but so that's divided about 50-50 among the MVPs). This one was a very intense discussion over at the public newsgroups. The CSS, have you chosen not to use CSS for images? I have not ran into this problem but my stylesheet is previously saved. With the text change, of course I tried to replicate that at that Summit and failed. I noticed when I got my new machine, it quit but now it is back. MS knows about the latency between the changes in HTML and design so I am hoping that bug is the same. Maybe I will write the guys over there at MS and do a video of it to let them see it exactly. _____________________________ Corey R. Bryant Merchant Accounts \| Toll Free Numbers \| Expression Web Blog (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 7:13:54 It depends on the image, I don't always want to insert them as backgrounds. If it's an obvious candidate for a background then fine, the size goes in the css. What I tend to do though is have a load of images of different sizes throughout the site that sit in the text. I then set up classes to float them left or right. You can't use backgrounds for those without adding extra divs (which aren't necessary) and adding individual classes or IDs for each different size. Code bloat. In those cases, I don't want sizes shoved into the css as all the images I'm floating are different sizes, I want it specified in the HTML. As to Steve Easton and BOMs, yes, I read it and it's useless. I told him it was. He keeps saying you have to have an encoding, yes fine but you can encode UTF-8 without the BOM. He seems to ignore that. When you are including pages using a PHP call, all the BOM does is shove the 3 odd characters into the page where the include starts and screw up the layout. Their response to this is to put a meta tag into the included page. BRILLIANT! When the page is rendered by the server and the include is included....... The validators love meta tags stuck in the middle of a page. Not. < Message edited by jaybee -- 5/29/2007 7:21:03 > _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to coreybryant)


coreybryant Posts: 2479 Joined: 3/17/2002 From: Castle Rock CO USA Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 7:39:07 BOM: I see what you are referring to - I understand it but I don't use it and have never dove into that one as much. (I tend to do that - if I don't need it, I don't worry about it - I am hoping that version 2 will fix it because I'll probably need it by then :) ) But I have been having problems with EW opening XML sitemaps (I thought it was because one was about 8,000 lines but it did not want to open a 50 line one). However, I choose to open it as TXT (instead of XML) in EW, then it opens just fine. I have Windows Vista Ultimate, 4G RAM, Dual Xeon 3.0G processor and 300G RAID. I know I have enough power, so a bit later today, I'll try to get the movies made for them on the text. _____________________________ Corey R. Bryant Merchant Accounts \| Toll Free Numbers \| Expression Web Blog (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 7:47:39 I'm on XP Pro with 1 Gb RAM. I start the machine, open EW, open the site, open a page which is laid out with Divs and blockquotes. In design view I add one letter into the middle of some text in a blockquote and the hard drive spins up. Hit CTRL+ALT+DEL and it says EW is using 98% of processing. It then takes several seconds before the drive starts to spin down. If I add more than one letter the drive just goes berserk, whatever I'm typing appears slowly, letter by letter and I have to sit and wait for it to finish. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to coreybryant)


coreybryant Posts: 2479 Joined: 3/17/2002 From: Castle Rock CO USA Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 7:58:13 I think Easton said something about the registry. There's a cache or something that's happening. I am hoping the people over at MS will take a look at though. I have noticed the same thing - when helping people. I get their source code and paste it into EW. I have had it just lock on up me from time to time. I thought maybe the source code was bloated but that did not seem to be the case for some. _____________________________ Corey R. Bryant Merchant Accounts \| Toll Free Numbers \| Expression Web Blog (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 8:01:39 My source code is about as clean and minimal as you're going to get. I hate to think what'd happen to the machine trying to open some sites. Yikes, it'd probably take off. Or maybe it's clean code that's the problem. MS don't know what it looks like. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to coreybryant)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 8:29:39 Oh yes and there's the other stunner. ou type a letter in wrong, or move a bit of code, think ooops, hit the undo button. Does it undo what you just did? Occasionally, yes but most times it undoes the last 10 minutes work. Apparently they're using some sort of checkpoint system and if you hit undo at the wrong time, it takes you back to the last checkpoint. Seems it does the same in all the Office 2007 products as well. Thank God for Open Office. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 8:58:18 And I've just left a somewhat short reply to the genius who has come up with the recommendation that all PHP pages should be re-encoded so they don't use UTF-8. Once again a case of Microsoft telling us their software doesn't work and therefore we have to downgrade our coding to meet their low standards. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to jaybee)


coreybryant Posts: 2479 Joined: 3/17/2002 From: Castle Rock CO USA Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 12:06:08 I have hardly ever used the undo function but I have read a few things about that as well. I wished I wrote down my MS incident reports when EW did send them over to MS. I started to but I think I was already frustrated because the sitemap that I was trying to open was only a few lines and it would not open it _____________________________ Corey R. Bryant Merchant Accounts \| Toll Free Numbers \| Expression Web Blog (in reply to jaybee)


caz Posts: 3582 Joined: 10/10/2001 From: Somewhere south of Chester, UK Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 12:34:23 Maybe THIS from MS would help with lagging systems although it is supposed to be for logoff problems. I have been using it for quite a while now and it seems to help keep things running more smoothly even though I don't have a roaming profile. Just a thought. _____________________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will dance, or more on your keyboard. Cheshire cat. www.doracat.co.uk I remember when it took less than 4hrs to fly across the Atlantic. (in reply to jaybee)


jaybee Posts: 14191 Joined: 10/7/2003 From: Berkshire, UK Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 13:26:13 Well according to another poster over at the MS forums the problem with the slowness is down to Dell tweaking your Video card. _____________________________ If it ain't broke..... fix it until it is. GAWDS Now where did I put that Doctype? (in reply to caz)


caz Posts: 3582 Joined: 10/10/2001 From: Somewhere south of Chester, UK Status: offline	RE: Problems with Expression Web - 5/29/2007 14:18:28 _____________________________ Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will dance, or more on your keyboard. Cheshire cat. www.doracat.co.uk I remember when it took less than 4hrs to fly across the Atlantic. (in reply to jaybee)