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shawna -> Expression Web on Linux servers? (6/4/2007 10:21:08)

Is it okay to host sites designed in Expression Web on Linux servers or do they need to be on Windows Servers? I read what I can find but am still confused.



coreybryant -> RE: Expression Web on Linux servers? (6/4/2007 11:00:44)

Yes you can host a website that you create in Expression Web on a *NIX box.

If you want to create any pages that are using the .NET language though, chances are very likely that you will need to use a Windows machine



shawna -> RE: Expression Web on Linux servers? (6/4/2007 11:25:27)

Thanks Corey!

I have never built anything using .net. I don't even know what it is. I am just debating on what I am going to use in the future - Expression Web or Dreamweaver. I know the future of cpanel and my host will be no more FPSE and am just trying to get a handle on things and stressing out here.

But I'm guessing if I choose dreamweaver, I will need to redesign EVERY site all over and that is really making me panic! If I choose EW, a lot of my clients have online forms that I made in FP and those will not probably work anymore either. Plus I use Mal's shopping cart on many sites and I hope that doesn't screw up without the FPSE. I'm going to call one of my design buddies here and see what he says.



coreybryant -> RE: Expression Web on Linux servers? (6/4/2007 13:55:37)

FPSE are a totally a different thing - FPSE Configuration Options and Features. if you use DW to make changes to these websites - you are going to have to use FTP and then FTP will corrupt the FPSE.

However, you can still publish websites with Expression Web to http://www.example.com and this will help to maintain your FPSE. FPSE helped people create a website when someone might need a script.

How many FP components do you use that rely on FPSE? If it is just a contact form - consider learning how to do a contact form in ASP, .NET, or PHP. And then you don't have to rely any longer on FPSE.



truex2 -> RE: Expression Web on Linux servers? (6/12/2007 14:29:27)

I just had to have my site moved to a pc server from an linux server because linux does not support asp.net controls.



gilman01 -> RE: Expression Web on Linux servers? (7/9/2007 11:02:57)

I too am trying to get a handle on all this - so any advice or guidance would be greatly appreciated.

From what I read in this thread I can use EW even though I am operating in a Linux operating environment. So now I need to determine what will break and what won't once I kill FPSE on my server.

I use the include bot on almost every site I manage (over 125 at the moment). So I am assuming I'll need to change that (most likely using php include command) unless EW has some feature that will handle that.

Forms are another issue - I have tons of forms but just purchased a php forms generator which works pretty good so the major issue is converting all the forms - but once done I'll never be dependent upon anything but php.

I also use Content Seed on a bunch of sites. I used the instructions to setup subwebs so I guess I'll have to reinstall using his "Vanilla" version.

So all in all it shouldn't be too bad - I guess my main question is do I really have to install the .NET framework on my local system to run EW and it says ont he Microsoft site? (I don't intent to use any .NET items as my server is a Linux box).

Once again I appreciate any pointers or advice that can make this as painless as possible.

Jeff Hoffman
The Gilman Group



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Expression Web on Linux servers? (7/9/2007 13:27:18)

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So now I need to determine what will break and what won't once I kill FPSE on my server.

- Everything that has been created using anything proprietary to FrontPage, will be gone. This includes the hit counters, forms, guestbooks, etc..

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Forms are another issue - I have tons of forms but just purchased a php forms generator which works pretty good so the major issue is converting all the forms - but once done I'll never be dependent upon anything but php.

- This automation is one step Dreamweaver has failed to provide. A lot of reasons people are sticking with Microsoft for web development, is that it is easy to make a decent form. If I wasn't doing so much PHP these days, I would use FrontPage over Dreamweaver simply due to the automated forms and other quick web components. Unfortunately the FPSE will be going away, so it might be hard to pick FP over DW now.

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So all in all it shouldn't be too bad - I guess my main question is do I really have to install the .NET framework on my local system to run EW and it says ont he Microsoft site? (I don't intent to use any .NET items as my server is a Linux box).

- EW might require the .NET Framework to be installed on your computer in order to install EW, but this is simply a requirement for the installation, and doesn't mean you are tied to making a site in .NET. When looking at the Expression Web System Requirements, it doesn't appear that the .NET Framework is required, so you shouldn't need to install it in order to use Expression Web.



gilman01 -> RE: Expression Web on Linux servers? (7/10/2007 16:40:00)

Thanks for the reply BD - I did go ahead and load EW on my local system (without .NET) and it appears to work fine. Was actually able to log into my existing sites that currently run FPSE and all components are there.

I'll experienment on a domain this weekend with FPSE to see how things work. Most interested in whether EW will manage links like FP does (i.e. when you change the name of a file it updates all the links throughtout the site). Also want to see how Content Seed works in this non-FPSE environment. I've been in touch with Chris (the developer of Content Seed) and he seems to think there shouldn't be any major issues.

I'll work with EW for a week or two and if it doesn't seem to cut it then I guess I'll consider DW. I must say that I was surprised (I've used FP for almost 10 years now) that the interface seemed very familiar so the learning curve should be significantly less - just need to get used to a new way of designing sites. What's that saying about old dogs...

Jeff Hoffman
The Gilman Group



pointsi -> RE: Expression Web on Linux servers? (8/10/2007 6:01:29)

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I use the include bot on almost every site I manage (over 125 at the moment). So I am assuming I'll need to change that (most likely using php include command) unless EW has some feature that will handle that.


From what I've read and understand, includes are still supported in EW. You can also create new includes, but you'll have to manually insert the code because EW doesn't provide a way to do it via the menu. (This page has more details: http://www.firstexpression.com/frontpage-issues/using-bots.htm . And this page has a FP Bot Macro add-in for EW: http://www.ctrfx.com/ew/fpbotmacro/default.aspx)

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Forms are another issue - I have tons of forms but just purchased a php forms generator which works pretty good so the major issue is converting all the forms - but once done I'll never be dependent upon anything but php.


This is the only thing that's been tying me down to FP and keeping me from switching over to EW, too. FP forms were so easy to generate, and now I don't know what solution to use.

At first I was checking out these two Expression Form Generators:

http://www.ctrfx.com/form/Default.aspx
http://www.expression-web-designer-help.com/forms/feedback-forms.htm

But then I realized my server runs on a Linux system, so I can't use ASP.NET controls like that.

What PHP form generators did you purchase? Are you able to post form data to another webpage (i.e. "_private" folder)?



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