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womble -> Appropriate list type (6/22/2007 16:27:37)

My current project has a page that's got a list of memorials in a simple name and date of birth and death of the deceased/short message format. Now given that the W3C haven't seen fit to give us a memorial/obituary list type [8D], I'm wondering what the best list format to be semantically correct would be.

I'm thinking that a standard definition list, using the <dt> for the name/dates, and <dd> for the message may be the one to go with. Any thoughts?




Tailslide -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/22/2007 17:01:08)

I'd do:

<dt>Name</dt>
<dd>DOB</dd>
<dd>DOD</dd>
<dd>Obituary</dd>


All the information is related to the name and so I reckon it's the name that's the definition term and the other info is all detail.





jaybee -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/23/2007 6:46:04)

You could do it with a definition list but don't forget that this is what tables were made for. Just make sure you have a caption,summary and headers.




womble -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/23/2007 7:46:14)

Eeeep! A table! [sm=theyareontome.gif]

/nips off to see how to make those [8D]

Hmmmm....I've been advised by various people various ways in addition to the above, including a nested unordered list (doesn't seem semantically correct to me, and horrendously messy code-wise), using a heading tag for the name and dates, and the message using <p> tags - that just doesn't feel right. It's a list, and I feel like it should therefore be using some sort of list format.

At the moment, Tail's suggestion seems the most logical to me. I'll have a go with that...that's once I've got the damned background image to play nice. [:@]




coreybryant -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/23/2007 8:35:39)

Womble, if you have a minute, you might also ask over at IWDN, they might have a few suggestions as well. BigBison writes about that stuff all the time. I knew I should have been paying more attention :)




womble -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/23/2007 10:01:37)

I have already posted at Accessify, which is where all the real accessibility/semantics experts hang out, but I might take a look at that.




Tailslide -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/23/2007 11:39:19)

I'd use a table for information that isn't axis dependant - I made that term up but I mean that if you turned the table access round it would still make sense. I'm not totally sure in this case that it would make as much sense rotated round so I'd stick to a definition list in this case. It's a close call though and dependant very much on the type of data used.




womble -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/23/2007 11:43:01)

The <dl>'s working great - easy to style too. [:)]

My only problem now in relation to the page is on the form of words to use on the form for requests for additions to the list. Client's provided the rest of the stuff, but I need a label for the form. Somehow "date of birth and date of death" sounds a little too harsh somehow, and I'm trying to figure out if there's a phrase for it (that avoids the usual euphemisms). Deep in the recesses of my brain, I feel there's an alternative phrase, but brain's not responding to pings at the mo. Anyone any ideas?

(Btw, my mother already suggested "date of birth and expiry date", which while it amused me greatly, I don't think would be appropriate for this site. [:D])




Tailslide -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/23/2007 11:59:10)

Passed on
Departed
Arrival date / Departure date
Left us on
Date Deceased
Moved on
Kicked the bucked on
Popped their clogs on
Rolled up their toes on
Coughed on
Bought it on
Pushing up daisies from
Had enough on




womble -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/23/2007 12:06:05)

Hmmmm, "date deceased" might do it. What I'm thinking of though is you know when like for authors and playwrights and stuck like, you put their name and then their DOB/DOD? e.g.

William Shakespeare
(1563 - 1732) <--- dates made up btw, but is this bit that I'm trying to think of the name for.

It's entirely possible that I've totally imagined that there is a term for the dates in the brackets, but it's like one of those tip-of-the-tongue feelings - dimly I seem to remember there is a term for it.




jaybee -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/24/2007 5:49:36)

In genealogy it's acceptable to use DOB and Deceased or Died.




caz -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/24/2007 8:23:31)

You could use the guidance given for articles in the "Dictionary of National Biography" where the term "Life dates" is used,

quote:

Life and activity dates

Life dates are given after the entry name and title (if any). Dates are given wherever possible as years of birth and death. Where a date of birth is unknown, a year of baptism may be given instead, prefixed 'bap.'. If only a year of birth or of death is known, this is given alone, prefixed 'b.' or 'd.'. Years may be qualified by the addition of a question mark (meaning 'probably in the year given') or the prefix 'c.' (Latin circa: 'about', meaning 'about the year given: perhaps before and perhaps after'). Dates before the common era are labelled bc, and thereafter dates up to the year 100 are labelled ad. Other qualifiers (such as 'in or before') are self-explanatory.
A person's birth or death may not be datable to a single year. A solidus ('/') indicates alternative years: Ballantine, James (1807/8–1877). This form commonly occurs where there is evidence only of the subject's age at the time of another datable life event (for example, matriculation at university, marriage, or death). A multiplication sign indicates a range of years during which the subject may have been born or may have died: Baartman, Sara (1777x88–1815/16). Where a birth or death date cannot be more precisely fixed a decade date (late 1070s, early 1780s) may be provided.

Where neither a birth nor death date is known, dates are given of a person's known activity, prefixed by fl. (Latin floruit: 'flourished'). 'Flourished' dates may relate to activity in a single year or over a range of years. The same qualifications of year values may be used with 'flourished' dates as with birth and death dates: Smith, Theodore (fl. c.1765–c.1810x23). Where the person's activities cannot be dated more precisely, a century date is given. For a subject whose existence is highly doubtful or who is proven not to have existed, dates are prefixed by supp. ('supposedly').


DNB




womble -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/24/2007 9:13:00)

Ah! Thanks Caz - that's the sort of thing I was after. [:)]




caz -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/24/2007 9:48:07)

That's what reference librarians are for (supp.) [;)]




womble -> RE: Appropriate list type (6/24/2007 11:02:50)

I knew there was a reason I was waiting for you to come online. [;)]




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