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Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/7/2007 12:44:58
Now that I've figured out how to use Includes, I'm discovering that it is a bit inconvenient. Let me know if I'm wrong. After I change my Include page, I have to open every page in my site and save that page before I publish my website. Is that right? If so, is there a quick way to open/save besides clicking each page to open and save. That almost takes as long as just adding a hyperlink manually to each page. Let me know if there is a quicker way to do this and I'd be most appreciative!
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/7/2007 12:46:46
Not as far as I know - unless it's some sort of weird FrontPage thing.
The whole point about it is that as long as the correct include is being "called" on the page then you only have to edit the include itself.
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/7/2007 13:55:11
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I have to open every page in my site and save that page before I publish my website. Is that right?
- No... the entire point of an include is that so you do not have to do that each time the include is updated.
I thought maybe if the page that has the include is open while you modify the include page, the open page would need to be saved, but I just opened FP to confirm that is not the case.
What makes you think you need to save each page? Is something not working?
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/7/2007 18:43:03
If it is Frontpage Includes, they work a bit differently than server side includes. Frontpage Includes are handled by Frontpage (alone) and do not even require Frontpage Server Extensions (FPSE).
If you are using a Frontpage Include, are these pages that you have an include page in "opened" in Frontpage already? If so, they will need to be "re-saved" because the Frontpage Include is handled locally
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/7/2007 22:55:10
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If you are using a Frontpage Include, are these pages that you have an include page in "opened" in Frontpage already? If so, they will need to be "re-saved" because the Frontpage Include is handled locally
I am with BobbyDouglas there. The pages do not need to be "re-opened" or "re-saved".
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 8:00:16
I wonder if the OP means publish rather than save? I checked out Frontpage Includes so hopefully that will help out a little bit
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 8:05:47
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I wonder if the OP means publish rather than save?
What do you mean by OP?
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 9:05:24
Let me clarify. When I change something in my Includes, like add a link, the change doesn't appear when I publish my site. The change appears locally but not on my published site. I did some research and found that I need to open each page of my web and save the page before publishing and then the changes will show up on my published site. This is a pain. Maybe it's because I'm not using Server Side Includes which, by the way, I don't have any idea what they are! I guess I'm using Front Page Includes. So, maybe there is an easier way of doing this? I also don't know what OP is?.....
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 12:14:38
You should not need to open all the pages. They all need to be republished though because FP includes are handled locally.
You might try the FP Cleaner to see if that might help fix the problem
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 12:37:20
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Let me clarify. When I change something in my Includes, like add a link, the change doesn't appear when I publish my site. The change appears locally but not on my published site. I did some research and found that I need to open each page of my web and save the page before publishing and then the changes will show up on my published site. This is a pain. Maybe it's because I'm not using Server Side Includes which, by the way, I don't have any idea what they are! I guess I'm using Front Page Includes. So, maybe there is an easier way of doing this? I also don't know what OP is?.....
OK, the OP is you :)
Can you say if you are using the Publish Web or you are FTP-ing?
Does your server have Frontpage Server Extensions, commonly known as FPSE, installed?
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 15:17:38
I am using the "Publish Web" function....not FTP ing. My server does have Frontpage server extensions, too. Yes, when I publish my pages again, after changing some part of the Include page, the changes are not on my published web. They only show locally. I'm still baffled.
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 18:18:17
Frontpage Includes are not managed by FPSE, they are managed locally by Frontpage. So if you are using Frontpage Includes on twenty pages, all twenty pages have to be re-published.
The way around this would be - use server side includes. However, you won't be able to see the "complete" page locally, you would need to view it on the web.
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 18:26:12
If by any chance you are not saving the pages when you add the Include to them - you do have to do that to the pages on which you want to show the included content. It's only when you have done so that any change you make to the include will propagate automatically to all pages afterwards. If you have FP2000 or FP2002 this add on might help to remind you.
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Microsoft have an addition called "Close all", previously from the Jimco Addins stable.It adds two new options to the File menu. Close all open files. You will be prompted to save any unsaved files.Save and Close All automatically save all open files and then close them. Any unsaved files will be saved automatically without a prompt.
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 21:21:49
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Frontpage Includes are not managed by FPSE, they are managed locally by Frontpage. So if you are using Frontpage Includes on twenty pages, all twenty pages have to be re-published.
Corey, you seem to be saying because FP Includes are not managed by or do not require FPSE, therefore ALL pages needs to be re-published.
Your statement does not gel with the comments of 2 MVP who posted in the thread started by torobravo regarding page include:
Pat Geary says in this link
http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/fb.asp?m=374602quote:
ORIGINAL: patg... If I am publishing to an ftp site then I know I need to publish ALL of the pages the include is part of. When publishing to an http site, I know I only have to publish the changed include.
Additionally, Tina Clarke has this to say about FPSE in this link http://www.frontpagewebmaster.com/fb.asp?m=374560
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... the reason you can do this on disk based webs on the hard drive is that your fp or ew prog carries a version of the fpse within it allowing certain features to work, some require the full monty.
The statement by Tina explains why even though FP Page Include does not require FPSE and are 'managed locally by FP', only the changed include page needs to be published and NOT ALL, when using the publish method.
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 22:03:48
Corey's example is for when FPSE are not installed. When they are installed, FPSE handles the updates automatically. As quoted in your example, when using FTP, you have to do what Corey said, when using Publish via http, FP handles all of the updates automatically.
Here are some test results:
From an already published website...
index.html has an include for file include.html
If I set index.html to 'Do not publish' and then right-click on include.html and click 'Publish selected files', in FP03, the end result on the remote website is an updated index.html. FP03 does not show that it is also publishing index.html
If I delete the index.html file on the local copy, and publish only the include.html, the remote website has an updated index.html with the new version on the include.html
This makes me believe Corey's statement is incorrect, meaning, includes are handled locally. I always thought you didn't need FPSE in order to use includes since they are handled locally, so I did one more test.
I removed FPSE from the website, FTPd the entire site, received warnings for FP forms, counters, navigation, but none for includes. When I view the final site without FPSE after an FTP, the site uses includes.
So this means that includes are handled locally, either via publish or ftp, and by no means is FPSE required in order to use included content with FP.
Also, if you use FTP to publish the include, you also need to FTP the file that uses the include. If you are using the publish option, it appears that FP does this operation for you automatically.
When FPSE is installed, if you update index.html, and then update include.html, and then publish include.html, it does not publish any changes you made to index.html, but it does update the area of index.html that contained the include.html. Thus, the included area in index.html is updated, without updating any other changes you made to index.html.
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 22:09:42
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I am using the "Publish Web" function....not FTP ing. My server does have Frontpage server extensions, too. Yes, when I publish my pages again, after changing some part of the Include page, the changes are not on my published web. They only show locally. I'm still baffled.
- As long as FPSE are installed, FP is supposed to update all pages automatically, whenever you publish the include file.
I would test your website with another host, and see what the results are. I PMd you a test link you can publish your site to temporarily.
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/8/2007 22:12:06
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ORIGINAL: joval
I am using the "Publish Web" function....not FTP ing. My server does have Frontpage server extensions, too. Yes, when I publish my pages again, after changing some part of the Include page, the changes are not on my published web. They only show locally. I'm still baffled.
- As long as FPSE are installed, FP is supposed to update all pages automatically, whenever you publish the include file.
I would test your website with another host, and see what the results are. I PMd you a test link you can publish your site to temporarily.
Thats why I was confused when Corey posted his example even though joval said she has FPSE and is using the Publish Web method.
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/9/2007 12:44:28
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Corey, you seem to be saying because FP Includes are not managed by or do not require FPSE, therefore ALL pages needs to be re-published. Boy just a lto to read, but Frontpage Includes are handled by Frontpage, not FPSE.
The only Frontpage include that requires FPSE is the WebBot Scheduled Include component
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/9/2007 15:34:11
Thanks so much for your help and the temporary server link. At this point, I'm going to pass on publishing my site to a temp. host but thanks anyway. I guess it could be the host though they support Frontpage. I tested the Include page again this morning. I made one change, published my site, and the change didn't appear live though did appear local. It seems that I can get the change to appear live if I open each page and save, then publish. I may just do it that way. I'll let you know, though, Bob, if I publish to the temp. server. I really appreciate everybody's help on this! Thanks again.
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RE: Is there a quick way to open/save all pages in site? - 10/9/2007 15:47:49
I created something here: Frontpage Includes. Unfortunately I seemed to have created the same Included tutorial the other day but with my memory problems, I don't remember it.
I did some testing with the Frontpage includes as the video tutorial will point out. I thought the included page had to be published as well, but it does not.
Working live on the site with Frontpage Includes, I am not certain really how that will work but if you can, I would suggest maybe trying a DWT. They work well in Expression Web
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