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dsulvett -> Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/26/2007 16:14:43)

I purchased this product thinking WYSIWYG sorry, its not evcen close, in fact its about as good at doing that is GB running this country...bad!

Why do they lie and say that a beginner can use this???? Everytime, i try to set something in place.....its not! I have spent NUMEROUS hours on my website and when i go to check the alignment, it is all over the place! pity microsoft.....

If i switch computers and try to develop the site between a laptop and my desktop,,,, forget it, it gets worse...

some of you may say i need to code, but when i bought this poor excuse for a program, i was assured it was EASY....

does anyone have any answers to why this is happening????



Rangler -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/26/2007 17:04:17)


Doubt if anyone can help you unless you post a link to see what is happening.



dsulvett -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/26/2007 17:07:08)

im trying to calm down...

i posted a link a few days ago...

vrhometours.com

thanks



treetopsranch -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/26/2007 19:51:21)

You said: "the alignment, it is all over the place!"

What is not aligning? Your site looks OK in Firefox and IE7



BobbyDouglas -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/26/2007 20:00:31)

You are attempting to use floating divs (named "layers") in FrontPage.

When beginning to learn FrontPage, you are much better off sticking with table based designs, unless you're using the latest version of FP.

You should start over from the beginning, and check everything each step of the way.

So begin by creating the header, save the page, and check to make sure the header works. Then continue on until you finish it.



caz -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/26/2007 20:12:53)

He's using Expressions Bobby, not FP. Either way some code will have to be learned.



dsulvett -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/26/2007 21:29:31)

thanks for your help.....bobby, i was going to start all over but i just cant seem to bring myself to doing that....hours and hours of work...

i would also like to apologize for my outburst.... im spending too much time on this....

i really need to learn some code???? i thought Expressions Web was no code needed.....

so what do i need to do here....

there was one post that said the site is fine....how come on laptop the site is all ocer the place....??????

For starters, where should i start, i mean the very begining, should i change my monitor resolution????? why does the site change on the laptop and it looks ok on the desktop pc??????

[&:]



William Lee -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/27/2007 1:04:01)

quote:

ORIGINAL: dsulvett



there was one post that said the site is fine....how come on laptop the site is all ocer the place....??????




Your site looks wonderful in IE 6 and Firefox on my computer.

Would you like to post a printscreen of how your site looks in your notebook?



d a v e -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/27/2007 5:34:46)

you also need to resize your top banner again from the original as it looks bad when it's resized through the html (top-banner)



take5guy -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/27/2007 19:12:35)

Wrong about MS, wrong about EW, wrong about GB
Don't jump to conclusions



Donkey -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/27/2007 21:13:54)

quote:

Your site looks wonderful in IE 6 and Firefox on my computer.

Would you like to post a printscreen of how your site looks in your notebook?

?
I've just taken a look and it's looking bad in FF2.0.0.8, Opera 9.2, IE6 and IE7.

The main content overlaps the navigation.

I think the combination of tables and absolute positioned elements is the cause. You need to go back to basics and re-design using floated divs instead.



William Lee -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/27/2007 22:41:14)


There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with how I see the pages. Definitely no overlapping of contents over navigation.

[image]local://upfiles/4448/26F07246CD134089A094FE047C0155BA.jpg[/image]



caz -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 6:45:04)

And in the rest of the page? It's the left hand vertical nav that's encroaching on the content - or was unless he's changed it.
( Resolution 1280x1024 )



treetopsranch -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 6:49:12)

quote:

FF2.0.0.8
has a bug.

I see it as William Lee does with FF2.0.0.7



Donkey -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 7:36:16)

quote:

ORIGINAL: treetopsranch

quote:

FF2.0.0.8
has a bug.

I see it as William Lee does with FF2.0.0.7

But what about IE6, IE7, and Opera? They all show the same overlap. Do they all have the same bug?

Also I haven't come across the same thing with any other sites using FF.

<edit>
It is not the bug - the site only looks OK at 800 x 600 resolution, because of absolute positioning it goes wrong at higher res. No problem if you are only trying to appeal to 7% of your potential customers.

The problem is absolute positioning used incorrectly and with tables.
</edit>



caz -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 7:46:33)

The Firefox bug only relates to CSS positioning using negative margins and clearing floats, none of which is used in this site. (It doesn't affect my sites either - phew!) More information here.



womble -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 9:14:07)

Yup, I'm getting the same as Donkey - messed up in everything unless it's viewed at 600x800



William Lee -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 9:20:06)


quote:

ORIGINAL: caz

And in the rest of the page? It's the left hand vertical nav that's encroaching on the content -


Viewed at 1024x768. There's got to be a good explanation. [:)]

[image]local://upfiles/4448/9BF58CD09C2C4DBBA4B76FB0994684C7.jpg[/image]



Donkey -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 9:33:25)

quote:

Viewed at 1024x768.
But are you using a window that is smaller than the screen size? Is it the same when viewed full screen with no sidebar?



womble -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 9:33:51)


quote:

ORIGINAL: dsulvett

I purchased this product thinking WYSIWYG sorry, its not evcen close, in fact its about as good at doing that is GB running this country...bad!

some of you may say i need to code, but when i bought this poor excuse for a program, i was assured it was EASY....

does anyone have any answers to why this is happening????


And this is why no WYSIWYG design app, not just Expressions is ever going to be 100% perfect, because unless you know at least the basics of coding, you don't know what's going on under the hood to be able to fix it when it goes wrong, and that's before you start with the various browser bugs.

As WYSIWYG goes, Expressions is pretty damned good - only 11 HTML errors on your home page, and most of them are missed alt attributes, and 1 CSS error. (And by the way, I'm most definitely not a M$ fan)



William Lee -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 9:36:38)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Donkey

But are you using a window that is smaller than the screen size? Is it the same when viewed full screen with no sidebar?


Viewed at full screen. I will try switch resolutions to 1240x1024 to test. Will post printscreen soon.



William Lee -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 9:45:06)


Yes, content encroached into the left navbar at 1280x1024



[image]local://upfiles/4448/91DD90FEDA4D4CECB38951E153DABB12.jpg[/image]



treetopsranch -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/28/2007 17:49:54)

quote:

It is not the bug - the site only looks OK at 800 x 600 resolution

You are correct guys and gals, I was viewing at 800x600.



dsulvett -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/29/2007 7:48:14)

Thank you all for your input and help....i am going to re-do this page from the begining....can anyone recommend a good E A S Y start to learn B A S I C html so this wont happen anymore... you all talk ablut div and stuff like that and im like WTF? HELP!!!! but anyway,, its nice to see people that want to help. i will take your advice and rebuild, please check on the site later this week.

Take5.... thank you for your worthless nothings...



javal -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/29/2007 8:37:01)

Try the below link for a nice, succint dictionary of html terms -

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/default.asp



caz -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/29/2007 9:14:14)

A really good place to learn the basics (and more should you wish) is HTMLdog.



Tailslide -> RE: Sorry, but Micros*ck lies!!! (10/29/2007 11:01:05)

HTML dog is excellent - number one on my list of tutorials.

Learning the markup is the best solution - possibly if you're in a hurry (and if this is going to be your only site) you could combine this solution with having a look at good templates for real estate - there's loads of them around. With a little knowledge of markup and a snazzy pre-made template you might get a faster start than trying to do it from scratch.

Obviously you'd really need to be careful about the template you chose if you went that route as there are a lot of very poor templates around. You'd want something that works cross browser, preferably CSS (as it's more likely to be coded to standards although it's no guarantee). Here's a site Linky Now I'm not actually recommending these templates - haven't had a close look at them, but it's an example anyway!

You'd want to be careful though as WYSIWYGs have a tendency to "add stuff" to coded pages whether you like it or not!!




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